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#31 taza_one

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 07:40 PM

Look at it this way. when hip-hop started sampling in the mid 80s, they sampled records from the 70s, ten years earlier. Now if you sample rap from the 90s, it may be 20 years old. Crazy.

Coming up, you didn't sample other rap, besides some lines or something, but hip-hop is about creativity, so if someone gets ill with some 90's hip-hop, good on em.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:16 PM

from a purely philosophical perspective, where do you draw the line when it comes to the reinterpretation and regurgitation of other work? The whole beat remixes trend is the idea of sampling and reinterpreting modern work with the individual's spin on it, and no one really hates on that. people that say "only sample funk and soul from the 70's" or something along the lines are fucking morons and are blindingly ignorant of their surroundings.

You could even go as far as to say that nothing is original. In the entire span of educated musical language, there's only been 12 notes. Sure, there's atonal sounds but speaking from a music-writing perspective. in all that time I'm sure almost every combination of melody has been done in some shape or form. All new music is just a continuation of older work from whoever they've been inspired by. Nothing made is totally ignorant of outside influence. To say by not sampling you're making original work is kinda stupid. I rarely sample nowadays and write my own shit but never would i say it's original.

When you look at it like that, having a gripe about others sampling modern work seems kind of stupid.
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 05:06 PM

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 02:58 AM

FUCK VINYL AND SAMPLING MUSIC.. i go outsided and sample rustling leaves and rain.

Just keepin it real.

Just sayin...



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Posted 21 July 2011 - 05:47 AM

Ok, my first post here, but I've got few opinions on this matter.

Sampling from hip hop is nothing new, I mean, how many times have you heard the Sucker MCs drums or Marley Marl Scratch drums in a record. Miami bass practically grew out of sampling Planet Rock in the 80's and a lot of mid 80's era hip hop has found it's way into later records (Whodini?). Using other hip hop tracks for scratch hooks has existed for like, forever! so no probs there. It certainly doesn't detract from the artform, in fact it is a great asset imo, especially if the phrase that is cut makes total sense in the song in question.

During the 90's there was also a trend in making party records out of recent hip hop records such as those by Kenny Dope, Frankie Cutlass and T.Ray, which I totally enjoyed, however, nobody was claiming these to be the next level of hip hop production, just tools for DJ's to rock a crowd to.

I personally take exception to the idea of taking your drums from say a Dre record, for a couple of reasons. Hip hop production makes no secret of the fact it steals it's sounds, but it's the skill of the producer to track down the right sounds and process them accordingly. It's all very well saying 'there's no rules to this shit' but they're wrong, at least there used to be, and one of those rules was NO BITING ALLOWED! If your sampling hip hop because it gives some flavor to your track or you're paying homage, then cool, but if you're just jacking a snare because you're too lazy to dig for your own, well that's just slackness.

I know all the stories about how Ced Gee stole the disc with Marley Marls drums on them and used them for Critical Beatdown and Criminal Minded, so there is a bit of a paradox there, but back then, dudes were only just figuring out HOW to sample, so in true hip hop tradition, they stole the knowledge! I suppose dudes today can argue they're doing the same thing, only I don't think they're that cany! I just think they're being lazy and cant be arsed to dig for their own shit no more!

BTW, I am being a bit tongue in cheek here, but you get the idea of where I'm coming from.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 01:00 AM

I like to compare sampling to making a collage. its cool to take stuff from anywhere, even other collages, but it has to be done tastefully and creatively. If someone ripped off (literally) the most famous part of a rembrant painting and stuck it on a canvas and painted circles around it, the artistic community would not like that at all. But if you took that same rembrant, chopped it up into little bitty pieces and made somethign completely different with the pieces it would be awesome, and hopefully, no one would notice that you destroyed a masterpiece ;]

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 01:04 AM

other producers used to sample drums that paul c had hooked up cos they sounded awesome

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 05:23 PM

Paul C. yeah funny how yeah the hear the same drum chops on BDP tracks, guess him and ced gee traded sp-12 disks.

nice example of hiphop sampling hiphop:
the O.P.P. beat is a dj-mix, later they took it and sampled it!




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Posted 20 August 2011 - 10:20 PM

I actually sampled from the same film that Madlib did on a Quas album on the song Come On Feet and I feel like the way I chopped it up and arranged it is different enough from Madlibs song that using the same means of my sample is acceptable. It just depends on if you are just bitting the sample and looping the whole thing with different drums or actually going out and chopping the sample up in your own way from the actual source and not the artist who sampled it. I'll let you judge if this is different enough but you can check out how I flipped it right here.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 10:31 PM

Or you could stop worrying about the technicalities and have fun.

These nit-picks about what "real" artists should do actually cause more harm than good to music. It limits you.

The term real, or true is subjective anyway. There is no definitive answer to the question.



So... sample what sounds good to you.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 10:51 PM

FUCK VINYL AND SAMPLING MUSIC.. i go outsided and sample rustling leaves and rain.

Just keepin it real.

Just sayin...



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...that has to be the stupidest shit I EVER HEARD, why the fuck do I want to hear rain and leaves rustling? leave that for foly in the movies... or i can just go outside and hear rustling leaves

thats some stupid ass shit when people sample plain out nature or a cityscape sound and call that music, thats just random noise
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 11:17 PM



...that has to be the stupidest shit I EVER HEARD, why the fuck do I want to hear rain and leaves rustling? leave that for foly in the movies... or i can just go outside and hear rustling leaves

thats some stupid ass shit when people sample plain out nature or a cityscape sound and call that music, thats just random noise



Wrong.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 12:59 AM



Wrong.


Man can I get someone here to back me up? sampling leaves and rain is not hip-hop.... that's on some other shit, if you want to make a nice track you need hella more than just rustling leaves
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:24 AM

man... i like you tav!k but nobody gets away with saying SFT's not hiphop

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:36 AM

well what im trying to say is that, yes technically you can sample all those natural sounds like the leave's rustling and the rain and maybe even a car driving down the road, etc. but a track needs more than JUST that. I don't mind people going out and recording some nice little bird chips and the branches of a tree moving to put down on their track, but it can't just be those sounds alone, hell even i've done that shit before but I put something over it or leave it as an intro/outro sort of thing, know where im getting at?. At least that's what I think, it's just my opinion though

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 03:06 AM

hip-hop IS everything. that's the beauty of it. it's all music and all sounds, or at least can be. it's not hip-hop to have a narrow mind

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:08 AM

well what im trying to say is that, yes technically you can sample all those natural sounds like the leave's rustling and the rain and maybe even a car driving down the road, etc. but a track needs more than JUST that. I don't mind people going out and recording some nice little bird chips and the branches of a tree moving to put down on their track, but it can't just be those sounds alone, hell even i've done that shit before but I put something over it or leave it as an intro/outro sort of thing, know where im getting at?. At least that's what I think, it's just my opinion though



You're not thinking about the possibilities of field recording, you're thinking about what you've heard in the past, rather then what's to come.

I'll direct you to one of my first songs with field recordings.

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I personally think it gives a great ambiance to the drums.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 02:06 PM

What TaviK is trying to explain is that.. when recording something so simple.. like a branches rustling and etc.. you need MUCH more to go with it.. Obviously you had to add deep drums maybe a slight re verb to set that ambient mood( EVEN adding a pad gives it that added ambient also)... Because those sounds can't do it on their own unlike a sample chop of some sort.. where you can even amplify the drums to add to a loop or an beat and filter it

Y'all are both right on some points

Just saying

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 08:31 AM

all these rules are killin the game!

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 02:38 PM

Or you could stop worrying about the technicalities and have fun.

These nit-picks about what "real" artists should do actually cause more harm than good to music. It limits you.

The term real, or true is subjective anyway. There is no definitive answer to the question.



So... sample what sounds good to you.

This.

Music nazism is rather shit.

...that has to be the stupidest shit I EVER HEARD, why the fuck do I want to hear rain and leaves rustling? leave that for foly in the movies... or i can just go outside and hear rustling leaves

thats some stupid ass shit when people sample plain out nature or a cityscape sound and call that music, thats just random noise

Keep your knickers on, the bloke was being sarcastic.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 03:26 AM

I heard herbie hancock wasn't really happy about the sample havoc used for shook ones, thats something i dont understand, rather its composing or just sampling,its all art,and i think you gotta respect that

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:56 AM

Sampling another hip hop song would be kinda lame in my opinion because its already been made unless you can flip into something barely recognizable like for example Madlib sampled a J Dilla beat made for busta rhymes by the name of "everything remains raw" An Madlib flipped it into Hityawidit, very dope hip hop sample and prolly the only person i know who could make something like that happen. but as for sampling vocal cuts for songs bro that's a part of hip hop! Preme's been sampling vocals from various artists for years now. There's a difference than making a whole song around a vocal sample, and scratchin vocal cuts into a beat to give it more feel.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 09:00 AM


Man can I get someone here to back me up? sampling leaves and rain is not hip-hop.... that's on some other shit, if you want to make a nice track you need hella more than just rustling leaves

Im with my mans tavik on this one, sampling leaves an rain would be an intro or outro to an instrumental as it fades in or out in my opinion. if i really wanted to hear flipped bird chirps i would go outside an plug my ear drums simultaneously. sorry but just because you think your being completely authentic, doesn't seem like that. you didn't make the bird or the rain sounds homie you are still "sampling" sorry to break it to youu.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 07:48 AM

I heard herbie hancock wasn't really happy about the sample havoc used for shook ones, thats something i dont understand, rather its composing or just sampling,its all art,and i think you gotta respect that


maybe herbie wasnt happy because of the context of the song rather than being sampled, its not like that hasnt happend to him 1000's of times before no?

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 12:19 PM

I saw a few people mention that they rather make their own samples and so forth because they believe it will make them original (true) and successful (eh). Just because you make your own samples doesnt make you successful your keen taste in drums might differ from someone else. it all depends on the audiences reaction and how you go about making it sound. if you sample from other hip hop songs you still have the right to be original depending on how you go about making the beat. idk just a thought
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Posted 14 October 2011 - 02:18 PM

Thread starter needs to listen to Madlibs Money Folder Remix and this.It ain't about what you sample but how you manipulate it.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 12:54 PM

It ain't about what you sample but how you manipulate it.



You can debate till the end of time about the ethics but the sentence above is basically all that really matters in the end.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 03:09 PM

DO WHAT YOU DO.... THATS IT THATS ALL

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 09:42 PM

If you do it the good way its better for hiphop. Listen to 'Hayzee- DoomFood' its a remake of doom his beef rap song. Its a tribute from a new school dutch producers. So young cats who dont know DOOM will find out because of Hayzee.

Peace

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 11:33 PM

im loving the fact a topic started by one of the biggest fuck ups this board has ever seen is still getting replies




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