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#1 LeftFoot1st

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 10:14 AM

Been playing around a lot with my drums so they come through in the mix.... had a topic about it.. where i posted an example of the drums, but here is an actual track i've made with them....

 

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 01:58 PM

Kick definitely has some pop to it man but in all honesty it's kind of out of place/context with the mix. It's almost a bit to dynamic/pokey. I'd be throwing a limiter or comp on it to squash it in a little bit, sticks out to far.

Snares pretty good.

I would stress to not get carried away with making your drums ALWAYS punch. You should make everything in context. Sometimes certain samples or beats just don't call for hard hitting drums and placing emphasis on them in those cases can make things seem unbalanced which is what I'm kinda feeling on this one. It's pretty common when you learn a new technique to implement it on every project you do but pump the brakes a bit and think about whats required of the track or mix as a whole. That's my feedback.

As far as being able to hear the kick on smaller systems, I sampled it on my iPad before headphones and the kick comes through great, but again... Probably overkill in my opinion for this beat atleast.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 04:21 PM

Good looks on the response....I don't got a limiter really, but the only thing close to one is in audacity where I normalize the track to peak at -0.5DB.....I do have reason which has all of that and I might bring that into my workflow next time...I'm still playing around with it all so eventually I'll get it right....like you said this is a new technique I'm using so it's far from perfected.

I'm really glad you heard it on the ipad and I do get the punchy feel you're talking about...it's not so much of a knock, but a poke kind of sound if that makes sense...I guess that was just the choice of drum....I'll really keep working in that.

Personally I thought the drums matched the mix because it isn't expressing anything soft...when I was putting this together I felt a strong feeling that I didn't really know how to translate well....but in the end I had got it off my chest and listening to it made me feel good...which I hope it will do for other people.

As always thanks for the time and love you put into ya post

Stay blessed....Peace.
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Posted 04 May 2015 - 04:40 PM

Yeah I don't mean limiting to raise volume, people (including myself at one point) automatically associate limiting with loudness but if you keep the out ceiling the same as the threshold you can actually use limiters to tame/compress/squeeze peaks without actually altering the signals output level. It's a trick I use on pretty much every mix in one way or another... It's especially useful for drums when you've eq'd them enough and your level is right but they still kind of poke, it'll just squash em down a bit and put them in uniform with the rest of the mix.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 04:59 PM

I liked it

 

but if you really want Kick critiques, I think the best kicks should be mixed/mastered with a bass in some extent or another before I can really judge it.


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 05:14 PM

I liked it
 
but if you really want Kick critiques, I think the best kicks should be mixed/mastered with a bass in some extent or another before I can really judge it.


Hmmm maybe that's why it stuck out so much when I listened... Wasn't anything to complement it down low.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 06:05 PM

That might actually be the reason..I kept it real minimal and bumped up the low end in the keys and I kind of struggle at finding good baselines to match up with my samples...like if it isn't there I'm like w.e lol...but I do need to work on creating my own though...hopefully after I get a microkorg or something...depends on how much I got.

Somebody was telling me I can finance my gear and be better off in the long run...my boy copped his Moog like that and he paid like 100 a month for it..some shit like that. If I play with it more this summer and get a better grip of the keys I might cop that instead.

The kick by itself sounded really good, but I did hear what you were talking after you mentioned it. It could have just been the choice in kick...I kind of specifically chose one that had that punchy poke sound lol... Trying to really make sure I could hear it on my computer.

A lot of other producers doing there thing have similar kicks in their tracks though...it's kind of what made me feel it was ok to use that one after the fact that I thought it fit.

Do you think low pass ruins kicks or nah? What I been trying to do is roll off everything 12db per octave after about 800hz ...really trying to keep the kick in the 1000khz range leaving space for hats and other shit to play around...Would it be wrong to go further down to really keep it in the low end and leaving space for other stuff?

When I do put bass I usually lower the frequency in the bass where my kick sits and bump it up right after to bring it out and I'll do the same in the kick....


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 06:13 PM

Gonna look at a few limiting videos...that was a good one

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 06:25 PM

Hmmm it's all dependent on what kick you're using and context of your track again. I HP and LP EVERY sound in my mix to some extent just to clean it up, then I'll boost back in with wideband EQs. Keeps things cleaner and gives a higher fidelity in my experience. Sometimes if I like the kicks high freq I'll just duplicate the kick, LP the main one to anywhere as low as 150-300khz and then HP the secondary duplicate to like 800-12000khz somewhere. That way you still have the high pop and low thud but you eliminate all that useless 300-800ish frequency data. That's basically layering, even if it's a duplicate of the same sample.

But yeah LP and HP as much as you can before your track starts to fall apart. You can always re tweak as you go if you want to add some frequencies back in. But my first course of action with any mix is HP and LP on everything before any other eq. It's almost like a "rough mix" or starting point of sorts.

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 06:37 PM

Cool, so I was right to do that...I just didn't do it enough...I'll try it next time

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 06:40 PM

Yeah just be careful cause pretty much all the pop for the kick to come through on laptops/iPads etc is in those higher freqs. So if you LP to much it'll be another case of 'great on monitors, weak on everything else'

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 07:00 PM

The one you heard was silent after about 1200hz ....it needs to be filtered more...I actually did two dif versions with the filter and chose the brighter one cause I thought it had character....guess it was too much

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Posted Today, 03:36 AM

sorry if i came off a little rude earlier bro....dope track btw...i noticed in the tags you had Glassjaw....are you a fan of that band?I still listen to worship and tribute on a weekly basis:)






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