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#1 venkman

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Posted Yesterday, 05:34 PM

This flip from Rock Konducta...

 

I see where the main sample came from but then when the whole melody/bass line and drums drop - that's not from the record. right? i mean.. it's ill. what would your process be if you were doing something like that?

 

Madlib playing it live

http://youtu.be/akhXYPnUSx8?t=38m16s 

 

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http://youtu.be/4ognSTOADuY?t=14s



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Posted Yesterday, 07:40 PM

Holy Fuck.



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Posted Yesterday, 07:58 PM

I don't think I explained my question properly, considering your reply.

 

how about that – the question is about process. how it's done... (besides talent) 



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Posted Today, 01:23 PM

This flip from Rock Konducta...

 

I see where the main sample came from but then when the whole melody/bass line and drums drop - that's not from the record. right? i mean.. it's ill. what would your process be if you were doing something like that?

 

Madlib playing it live

http://youtu.be/akhXYPnUSx8?t=38m16s 

 

Sample

http://youtu.be/4ognSTOADuY?t=14s

Alot of people think Madlib just flips songs – including myself. This was disproven though, when I heard his flip of Apostrophe by Frank Zappa, also on RK. He uses parts of that song, but then a string thing comes in that is nowhere in that song. My guess is that he has a library of "stock sounds" memorized and if he hears something that he thinks it would work over, he'll try to combine them. It's pretty ill, this is what Pete Rock and the Bomb Squad and older school cats did alot of, but then it went out of style once it became all about flipping one particular record. I think combining two different records can create that "holy shit" moment in a way that you can't do with just flipping one song. I did it recently on this track.

 

edit: nvm, in this case he just added drums and sub bass. standard procedure.


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Posted Today, 03:17 PM

edit: nvm, in this case he just added drums and sub bass. standard procedure.

The thing with Madlib and a lot of other prominent sample based beat makers is they have a funny way of imparting their unique style on things in very simple basic ways. There's nothing out of the ordinary really. It's mainly just a good ear. One thing I notice in today's beat culture is dudes try to hard to do to much. I've been really enjoying dillas king of beats album lately (the old dirty unreleased shit). Sample, drums, bassline. Nothing crazy, what makes it enjoyable is the precision of the chops, the drum rhythm and the bass bounce. 3 things all done extremely well. Cats these days think there's some "trick" or some "technique" they're missing when they hear good beat makers. They go out of their way to learn all these "teqniques" and end up making over produced messy beats with heaps of unnecessary sounds piled on top of one another, crazy effects and flabby bass lines. like a restaurant with a 4 page menu but no good food. Learn the basics... Learn how to chop samples properly, learn how to lay down drums with rhythm and tune, learn how to make bass lines. That's all you need... That's all madlib needs.

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Posted Today, 03:20 PM

Thanks for the thoughtful reply 1stN3rd :)

 

Yeah I think you might be right about combining two different records for that heavy change/drop, definitely something I want to work into my production arsenal! 

 

Checked out your track ~ was feelin' it. You definitely got your own style goin' there! keep on. 



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Posted Today, 03:26 PM

 imparting their unique style on things in very simple basic ways. 

Peace.

 

 

They keeps it simple – as well as complicated :)

 

Yeah I'm all about keeping it simple, but right now I need more practice. Keeping it simple isn't as easy as you'd think - in my case it sounds kinda empty. Thats why aI was interested in that melody that was on top of the bass & drums. 







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