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#61 mangoes cash

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Posted Yesterday, 02:56 PM

This is the other issue, the militarization of the police force. 

 

And those fuckers are dumb.

 

 

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@ Orchid, sounds like you are defending the actions taken, but with this I feel you are incorrect. (See pic)



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Posted Yesterday, 03:16 PM

This is the other issue, the militarization of the police force. 

 

And those fuckers are dumb.

 

 

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@ Orchid, sounds like you are defending the actions taken, but with this I feel you are incorrect. (See pic)

 

I am not defending or justifying any kills or actions because I don't know aht happened, I have said that multiple times.  I am saying that I'm not after a cop's head when I don't know what happened and wait for it... the cop might not even be a racist.  There are probably people in Ferguson that want no part of the riots and are probably terrified for their lives and their children's lives the last few weeks.  I bet they're glad that the police have been there with their unnecessary and toys, that I also agree they do not need and should not have.  My first post in this thread was something along the lines of:

 

They should NOT have all that ridiculously over-priced and over-specialized gear and they should spend that money on POV cameras for the police force to better track cops' actions.  It would help both police and the people.  The truth can't be twisted much when it's on camera.



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Posted Yesterday, 03:18 PM

^ this stance occurs when someone feels that they are being unfairly lumped in with racists whose views they don't share. I get where you're coming from, because what you're saying deep down is that "why can't we all just get along and not worry about races", but unfortunately, racism does exist and is institutionalized particularly within the law enforcement communities of high crime and/or heavily minority neighborhoods. The anger is not just about this incident, it's about a pattern of disproportionately severe and aggressive police (and pseudo-police ie. Zimmerman) focus on minorities. You want to see some fucked up statistics look at incarceration stats.
 
You see black protesters and feel as though they're pointing a finger at you, but they aren't. It's not race war stuff, it's just the demand for equal treatment as humans. As has been said before in this thread, there are MANY white neighborhoods that this stuff would never occur in, and if protesters showed up it wouldn't suddenly become a paramilitary affair.
 
It's not about black vs. white, it's about racists being allowed a bizarre freedom from consequences, and the institutions that seem to help cover their asses rather than disowning them when appropriate.

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I just can't with this post.


Mangos posted a video of a dude being shot to death at least 4 times and people still don't get it or understand.

Let's not forget me downplaying and being apart of the problem because I stated we have been dealing with this for years.

If you don't get it now, you'll never get it
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Posted Yesterday, 03:31 PM

I literally think I don't understand any of this treatment because of three things:

 

1. Never seen it first hand

2. I'm white

3. I live in Oregon

 

I'm sorry if I've said some ignorant things throughout this thread, I just don't understand what African-Americans are still going through. Can any African-Americans on here give me any first hand experiences they've had?   Wtf is still going on outside my little bubble?



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Posted Yesterday, 03:46 PM

it sounds like we should all be so lucky to live in Portland, huh? heh.

 

Not to sound rude or condescending but I'd try reading some literature or keeping abreast of news on a national level. I assume you followed the Trayvon Martin murder and the national discussion that brought up? Maybe I take for granted living in NY and the amount of press coverage these things tend to get here...

 

Or hell, watch some movies, or... or... I dunno, the Boondocks I always thought had some very elegant and digestible things to say about the modern black experience. 

 

I'd just hate to think that:

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Posted Yesterday, 04:54 PM

 

I have not, and that's a good point.  I can also never understand how it feels to be oppressed and treated so poorly.  Is this a balance of power issue?  Like I said in a previous post, we do have an African-American president that we voted as a country into office.  

 

Do you think that if we stopped giving positions of power to the most qualified (we probably don't now, that's just what we hope for and say) and just gave them to the most qualified African-Americans that would fix everything?  I'm just not sure where you're coming from with this.  There are reports that Michael Ferguson literally was beating the cop, (Idk what happened, and we never will, I'm just saying) and I know for sure that beating a cop, of any race, in any country, is  not going to end well.

 

 

All of the cases that we actually hear about are with black victims because the African-American community is sensationalizing and rioting because of these cases and we never hear about it when the shoe is on the other foot.  Two days after Michael Ferguson's death, an African-American police officer in Salt Lake City, shot and killed an unarmed 20 year old white man.  Did the people in Utah riot? Did we even hear about it on national news or even online?

 

 

 

It's more of an inbalance of power issue. It's something that groups of people experience everyday and tensions build until you have a situation like what we have today (Its common in other parts of US/world history too). People just get fed up, man. Theres a growing mistrust in corporations/government by Americans today because of misconduct and abuse of power. Blacks arent the only ones to notice abuse. http://economyincris...ernment-growing

 

I'd question what do more qualified people look like and if there are any sort of bias when making that decison. http://jobbankusa.co...ing100803a.html

 

What does the official police report say against Micheal Brown explaining what caused the altercation (if there was one)? How long did it take to get that police report out?

 

Yes, we do have a black president today and he does stand as a symbol for many showing progress...BUT its impossible for one black man's election into office to erradicate racism in its entirety. I'd also be curious to see who was the majority of Obama's voters... More on that here: http://www.ropercent...d/voted_12.html

 

I dont suggest that any one group have more power than the other for status quo reasons, but I hope we as citizens diversify our offices, schools, thinking and police forces in the name of equality. Different view points/cultural experiences = a more complex and well rounded understanding of the real world around us.

 

We might not hear about issues like this "if the shoe was on the foot" because of what I mentioned earlier... (Remember the thing about white people and their history of oppression?) Could you provide a link that shows the case of the unarmed white man who was unjustly killed? Here is a youtube video on why white people dont actually riot or protest in times of their oppression...

 

 

I'd recommend doing some reading on the industrial prison complex to have a better understanding of "fairness" in todays justice system.

 

http://billmoyers.co...ceration-rates/

 

http://www.globalres...n-state/5329328


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Posted Yesterday, 11:02 PM

What was the the cop stopping him for? Was it unrelated to the robbery? Your post seemed like a list of justifications for the use of lethal force in a situation where it should not have been necessary.

 

i'm not aware of why the cop stopped michael brown but it could've been any number of reasons such as "seeing an individual acting suspiciously" considering he had just robbed a store.

 

also, according to 3 autopsies, michael brown had bruised knuckles and witnesses said they saw him hit the cop and even reaching for the cops gun (which is what lead to the use of lethal force). 

 

his friend, dorian johnson, changed his story numerous times: including where he said they had their hands up and michael brown said "don't shoot. i'm unarmed". various witnesses have confirmed never at any point did they see their hands up.

 

some people here have said michael brown was shot 12 times. wrong. 3 autopsies (1 by the corner, 1 by the federal government and 1 by a private physician for the michael brown family) show he was shot 6 times. one shot is to the top of head- which indicates, especially considering where the other shots hit, that he was lunging at the shooter. another person said  he was shot in the back. the autopsy shows all gunshot wounds are are the front. in fact, the only witness to claim this retracted the statement after the autopsy result was released.

 

the lawyers for michael brown's family have said officer wilson (the shooter) executed michael brown. since an execution is punishment i wonder what they consider michael brown was being punished for. his theft? if so, why didn't the officer also "execute" dorian johnson since he aided the theft? if due to his race, why was johnson spared considering he is also black and has criminal background (including a warrant for arrest). he makes for a more suitable target for execution.

 

finally, someone here accused me of "trolling". i don't know what that means but i assume it's not a kind adjective. i haven't called anyone any names and would appreciate the same courtesy. if you're in disagreement with a point i have made state it and point out where you see a problem, but do not reduce me to figures and remarks 



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Posted Today, 03:56 AM

"The end of the world I can see it coming, so I pack my 9mm's and I start hunting"

Every time I open my facebook news feed or read the newspapers I see nothing but more and more crime and injustice, and it's just getting worse every day. Nothing but racism, violence, discrimination, abuse of power, terrorism. At this pace we'll end up either self-destructing or in an asylum. Nothing touches me more than social injustice, I just can't stand that shit. And remember:
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Here in Croatia we have a lot of proud "patriots" who share a neo-nazi point of view, glorify the war and hate people of different races/ethnicity just because somewhere in history they held a grudge against us (or did not at all). Goddamn ignorant people. Not to mention they are very selective with their approach to history and facts and are short-tempered with anyone who shares a different point of view. The media subtly fuels us with more and more animosity each day. This shit has to stop. America was built on violence and I sincerely hope that all the people who are creating this false image of it being a democratic, proud country, the land of the "free" (L O L), while doing the exact opposite end up having the worst death imaginable. Talk about living in a "modern world". As Albert Einstein said: "Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." That's one of the biggest problems of our society: it's easier for us to accept something we have been told than actually trying to keep our brains wrinkled and observe the facts from an objective point of view. I swear getting strapped will soon be a must for everyone, things are just getting crazier.

 

 

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Posted Today, 04:20 AM

some people here have said michael brown was shot 12 times. wrong. 3 autopsies (1 by the corner, 1 by the federal government and 1 by a private physician for the michael brown family) show he was shot 6 times. one shot is to the top of head- which indicates, especially considering where the other shots hit, that he was lunging at the shooter. another person said  he was shot in the back. the autopsy shows all gunshot wounds are are the front. in fact, the only witness to claim this retracted the statement after the autopsy result was released.

You can't draw any conclusions on this, the one on the top of the head could also mean he bended double due to the impact of the previous shots. The people performing the autopsies thought the two shots to the head were the final ones.
Also, the shot in his arm could already have been fired while he faced his back to the officer due to various positions an arm could be in so you can't draw any conclusions on that either, there were witnesses for this too.

There were no gunpowder traces on Brown so he never got close to Wilson. Wilson missed a couple shots too so either he didn't keep his cool under pressure or he just snapped and fired like a mad man. Either way, it was a major fuck up on his part, but he won't be trialed for this because of legal use of deadly force; whether the use of deadly force by an officer is legal or not, is determined by the officer on the spot and NOT in hindsight. Nothing will happen to Wilson, whether the shooting of Michael Brown was the consequence of racial prejudice or not. Unless they can prove he indeed shot Brown in the back, which they can't.



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Posted Today, 10:49 AM

If you read up on the autopsy reports, it appears that Brown indeed have his hands raised as to surrender. This action I presume was taken prior to being shot in the eye.




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