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#1 Nate Jackson Kills Niggas

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Posted Today, 04:13 PM

I'm not trying to troll this forum or anything...

 

I'm a fan of MF Doom, But I think MF Doom is nowhere near as dope as people say he is. The reason I think this is because there are hella emcees who would put him to bed. Also, I feel his slow rhyme style is a little derivative of EPMD.

 

   Tell me what you think.



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Posted Today, 04:17 PM

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Posted Today, 04:20 PM

No problem. I was just trying to see if anyone else felt the same, and have an actual discussion about hip-hop. But I guess I was pulling to hard on your heart chords for you to actually think about what I said. if you disagree can you please explain why?



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Posted Today, 04:33 PM

I just like that he is different. After 26 years of being a rabid rap fan (I liked some rap before It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, but that was the record that set it off for me), I get real tired of hearing about awesome some rapper is and popping bottle and all that shit...

 

Never saw this before:

 


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Posted Today, 04:36 PM

Subjective statements are subjective...

I prefer slower rhymes, it forces the mc to focus on wordplay, flow and content rather than just going hella quick over a beat with some irrelevant ish. Just my opinion.

If anything, by industry standards... Doom is underrated.
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Posted Today, 04:39 PM

It's the creativity of his lyrics. He has a lyrical style like no other. Most rappers spoon feed you, and give you punchlines that, while seeming clever at first, at further glance they hold little weight. Meanwhile, DOOM hit's you with some that might go over your head for a minute, but then make you double take and jaw drop...

 

He could be some kind of wacko

waiting for the chance to heat the pipe like a crack hoe... 

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Posted Today, 04:50 PM

Oh true. yeah I completely forgot about his lyrics. he's lyrics are far more creative than most rappers. But Flow wise I think dudes like Rakim or Krs-one have him beat by far. Also, there are hella rappers who don't talk about how dope they are like Q-tip, or posdnous. Personally I like de la soul, tribe or the pharcyde because I relate to them more than most rappers. Do y'all relate to the shit Doom says? cuz I just don't. if I did I'd prolly think he's a doper rapper



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Posted Today, 04:56 PM

it may be difficult for a 15 year old to relate to a 43 year old man who doesn't even live in this country anymore, that's just a fact. but the villain's message is timeless, and you will one day fall under his sway as every living thing is destined to. it's all part of the plan.

 

They used to beg him not to egg 'em on halloween

told 'em holla back with the suede pumas, dolla green.


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Posted Today, 04:58 PM

You don't have to relate to the words to relate to the music... Words are symbols. I relate to doom as a person, the mask and the style. The confusing (sometimes) lyrics just add to the persona and character that I relate to. So when I recite his rhymes I don't feel the words, I feel the dude who's brain put them together.

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Posted Today, 05:10 PM

word. I see what you're saying that's dope.


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Posted Today, 07:29 PM

Oh true. yeah I completely forgot about his lyrics. he's lyrics are far more creative than most rappers. But Flow wise I think dudes like Rakim or Krs-one have him beat by far. Also, there are hella rappers who don't talk about how dope they are like Q-tip, or posdnous. Personally I like de la soul, tribe or the pharcyde because I relate to them more than most rappers. Do y'all relate to the shit Doom says? cuz I just don't. if I did I'd prolly think he's a doper rapper.

 

If skill = relatability then you're going to have a hard time enjoying 99% of art. But that's besides the point. MF DOOM is not someone you relate to. He's an exaggerated persona, a character. A supervillain, modeled after Dr. Doom, There are bits of Daniel Dumile in MF DOOM (DOOM may have been born from Dumile's tough career in the music business), but they aren't the same person. In fact, Dumile works under a few different aliases (King Geedorah and Viktor Vaughn to name a couple) with their own special quirks/aspects (although one can argue that Viktor Vaughn and MF DOOM are the same person, only that VV is a sort of 'prequel' to DOOM).

 

But as far as skill, I'd say that DOOM is damn near in a league of his own. His technical rhyme abilities are solid, but his most notable talent is his wit:

 

Some come in the form of codependence
A lot of times only end up being codefendants

Ten bucks say they tell for a lower sentence
And leave you up under the jail, begging for a penance

It don't make no sense, what happened to the loyalty?
Honor amongst crooks, trust amongst royalty

I'd rather go out in a blaze, than give 'em the glory

(How many of us have--) a similar story?

(Deep Fried Frendz)

 

Here we see DOOM's paranoia at it's peak; the codepedence/codefendants wordplay portrays DOOM's distrust for others, his belief that "friends" can only end up controlling you or betraying you, and his will to destroy himself in order to deny others the pleasure. It's really fantastic wordplay not only for rap, but poetry in general. You can really see the influence that Bukowski had on him here. As The Jackal said, a lot of DOOM's lyrics are often dense, and they require more reflection than usual to really "get". There are a lot of really straightforward DOOM lyrics out there, but they always come with a sort of sardonic flair to them, to the point where most of his songs/lyrics are nihilistic in their bleak portrayal of life in new york and society at large and the state of rap today.

 

Sorry for the wall of text. I'm a huge DOOM fan. His music has influenced me immensely. Great musician. I hope you eventually come to enjoy his music as much as I do.

 

Also you might want to do some fact-checking on your post there, Q-Tip and Posdnuos has definitely talked about how dope they are in their songs. Not that that's a bad thing, quite the opposite, actually. Rap was founded on talking about how dope you are. Rapper's Delight is basically 20 minutes of dudes talking about how dope they are.


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Posted Today, 07:48 PM

Much appreciated, Primate...no need to be coy. Viktor loves such unabashed realism. I doubt anyone else minds that bright analysis.
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Posted Today, 07:52 PM

"Put ya sister on the phone..."



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Posted Today, 08:06 PM

 

 (although one can argue that Viktor Vaughn and MF DOOM are the same person, only that VV is a sort of 'prequel' to DOOM).

 

 

 

I can see how that works, except isn't it DOOM stealing V's girl in 'Fancy Clown'?



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Posted Today, 08:15 PM

 

I can see how that works, except isn't it DOOM stealing V's girl in 'Fancy Clown'?

 

I forgot about that. That's a good point. They might be two sides of the same person, kind of like The Double, but there's nothing in the song that points to that conclusion.



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Posted Today, 08:32 PM

Even anti-heros have to face-off with anti-heros.

 

Both have been ostracized and burnt from the world that they occupy.

 

Both choose different versions of "candor."

 

DOOM is unlikely going to show any chink in his metal.  Essentially, we do not know what lies beneath the surface though we know it is there as if by literary construct.

Viktor on the other hand, is a little more rebellious and down to earth, but it is through him that the Villain is borne.

 

Good looking on Fancy Clown.  Incredible resiliency on the microphone if you could filter out what ill ish he and Madlib are doing on the sound collaboration.

 

DOOM is forced by virtue of his own creation to continue on; whereas, Viktor is a prisoner to his present circumstances.  Whereas DOOM tells a tale of determinism--Vik gives You something You can feel, proving that we all have (and greatly admire those who utilize) our own free will.

 

Mr. Dumile himself is Dante.



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Posted Today, 08:42 PM

 

I forgot about that. That's a good point. They might be two sides of the same person, kind of like The Double, but there's nothing in the song that points to that conclusion.

 

i always thought that's what made the song so fucking brilliant, that DOOM/Viktor are virtually the same person.  that always made the lady's POV much more sympathetic for the audience, because we all are "in" on the meta joke of Dumile's characters but she clearly isn't (and neither are DOOM or Viktor, for that matter)...hence all the "What?" and "Huh?" responses from her on the other end of the telephone throughout the song-- i mean, how would you react if your significant other called you up with another completely different, more violent personality?

 

 

that's the kinda shit that made me bug out whenever i heard DOOM, and that's how i turned into such a rabid fan of his...

i'm guessing this NJKN fella comes from a camp where his first introduction to him was through secondhand means, i.e. some person who probably over-hyped Dumile in a very hipster-y, snobbish way, which lead this kid to be turned off by the notion that DOOM is legitimately that good of an artist.  i know i've seen it happen around me-- i know that i was excited enough about MV to tell all my friends about it at the time i first came across it, despite none of them ever really "getting it"...then several months down the line, i come to find out that they're basically name-dropping DOOM and Quas in conversations as artists they listen to so they don't have to admit they enjoy something as lowbrow as 2 Chainz or Lil Wayne.

 

 

needless to say, the people they were trying to impress couldn't give a fuck less who or what the Batty Boyz are or how DOOM hold heat and preach non-violence.  but my point is that kinda thing happens often with people who don't know what they like, and try to pretend like they enjoy things they genuinely don't just to be different.  that's unfortunately what's become of the whole DOOM mystique; once you have Madvillainy being sold at Urban Outfitters, it's inevitable.



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Posted Today, 09:07 PM

 

 

 

needless to say, the people they were trying to impress couldn't give a fuck less who or what [...]or how DOOM hold heat and preach non-violence.  

That's fucking heresy.







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