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#1 LeftFoot1st

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:27 AM

Besides Vocal Chops...

 

What are some ways you like to keep the listeners listening?

 

It seems like everytime I make a beat people want vocal chops or something on it, but that doesn't really leave a lot of room to rhyme on if you do it throughout the entire track.

 

I normally like to try to remove a few drums or just remove a certain element from my beat for a few seconds... simple things like that go a long way...

 

One of my biggest inspirations is Dilla and his 90's work which doesn't seem to have vocal chops at all...except for that one SV track with JB saying I DON'T KNOW!....

 

but yeah, speak to me... share some tips.... do you filter out the melody? do you remove it for a verse? what do you do?

 

Ultimately i'd like to create something that is just a good flip that can be listened or rhymed over



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:32 AM

I know I made a topic like this before, but it basically went to shit after awhile....sorry if i'm being a pain in the ass.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:53 AM

Vary your chops up. Keep the same basic song structure but sample sorta different parts here and there so there's minor switch ups. Play the sample musically, like an instrument

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:45 AM

That's what i've been trying to do.... but if you really listen to some of my shit, you'll notice there isn't really a set pattern... I sometimes play the melody out myself for 16 bars with subtle changes...if you listen to that last beat I did you can see what i'm saying.

 

I haven't been doing this for mad long, but I feel like I got the basic idea of things, but I do get tired of listening to my own shit after a certain amount of time. I gotta find a way to just throw some weird shit in there somehow lol



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:51 AM

Next think of stuff like verses choruses and bridges. Song structure stuff. One professor I had talked about the "rule of threes" on some Beethoven shit. Don't let the same measure repeat four times, have three and then a little change for the fourth

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:39 PM

that's the kind of tips I like to hear ha ha..... i'm going to do more research on that



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:21 PM

Yeah I fucks with that rule of threes all the time. Picked it up from listening to KanKick for about eight months straight.
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Posted 26 May 2014 - 04:53 AM

Yah, changes help mega ton.

I listened to a lot of Beatles for classic pop, structure. It does irritate me, when I think of what they, or any artist pre 1980 was doing, how much thought and energy went into instrumentation, arrangement and mixing, now, cats get one little loop, which may not even be that good, and go ballistic.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:11 AM

There's definitely something to be said for that threes thing. An example is 9th Wonder's Enjoy: - Every 4th bar is that kind of fill, switch, bridge kind of thing and it ties everything up nicely.


*Every 8th bar. My bad.



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 05:41 PM

you could've just continued your other thread, instead of creating a new one...

but yeah, mute-outs are a good place to start.

 

sometimes you can fill in those dead spots with a vocal chop, which gets rid of the oversaturation problem you're worried about.

do different things with the melody every several bars...do shit to your kits to make them sound different than normal.

use other noises instead of drums, have more than one type of snare and kick and hat/etc. for your beat.

sidechain shit.

add static.



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:07 PM

Oh here's a good tip. Use higher velocity, longer beefier kick samples sparingly (say on the 1 & 3 or wherever you want to emphasize) and use shorter, lower velocity kicks in between

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 08:22 PM

Also, sit on it, to keep it warm.
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Posted 26 May 2014 - 08:29 PM

sit on it? lol...TF?



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:01 PM

Also, sit on it, to keep it warm.

 one of the best production tips in this thread



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Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:49 AM

Its true.
My old mami taught me that.
She used to sit on em for days in end.
Turn down food and drink just to make sure the little guy had a chance.




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