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#1 breakmastercylinder

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:14 AM

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Here's the sample! http://www31.zippysh...26829/file.html

 

RULES:
1. outside bass - YES
2. outside drums - GOD YES (but breakbeats are illegal, by popular demand)
3. outside keys/synth - SURE WHY NOT
4. acapellas/outside samples ok
5. time limit: 90 seconds
6. YOU MUST MAKE A MONOPHONIC BEAT.
That is to say at any given moment, only one sound is playing. Imagine you're using  a DAW with only one track to fit every sound on. So no layering, just a straight line all the way through. Whatever method you come up with to actually achieve this is the right one.

 

Caveats:
1) Any snippet of this week's sample counts as one sound regardless of what's going on in that chop.
2) 
BREAKBEATS ARE ILLEGAL NOW Authentic breakbeats (taken from another song's breakdown) are a grey area since they're composed of overlapping sounds. But they're awesome, so they're allowed.

3) My use of "monophonic" is not as the opposite of "stereophonic". It can still be in stereo, panned crazily, etc. Each moment only has room for one sound, however. HOW GODDAMN ZEN, probably. I don't know from zen.

 

To answer your questions as they've come up:

1) Single synth notes are fine, chords are not.

2) FX are totally fine, just not in a way that breaks rule 6. So like.. sidechain good. Delay bad.

3) Grifty and Birddrop wanted to layer an acapella over an otherwise monophonic beat. It sounds so nice that I'm allowing it. You have the option of including your acapella in the single-sound system, or layering it on top. Acapellas only though.

 

Thank you again for your votes. Hope you're not sorry now. I have total faith in yall.

 

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#2 lexius

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:35 AM

wow this going to be really difficult.

I will wait for the first audio entry.
So i can get a idea and to get the complete picture.

Btw Congratz Breakmastercylinder



#3 JoaGymshoe

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:40 AM

...Felicitations BMC! ...Hahaha..you did warn us there would be crazy rules if you won! ;)...

 

 

Found this... 

 

...Oh boy... this is gonna take some doing, making s'thing worth listening to!

 

...edit: so to get things clear... when you have drums or a  bassline  or an acapella playing you can not have a melody playing at the same time?

 

..edit 2: so may reverb and delay overlap?



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 03:29 AM

exile kinda sample



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 03:37 AM

...I think it would get better results (from a listening pov) if the drums were to be seperated from the monophonic rule...  ?

...Still tryin'to get my head around the idea of litterally only hearing one sound at a time! :blink:

...edit: sample is dope!.. lotta potential!



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 04:41 AM

IMO is the monophonic rule just bad...
I can understand why a lot of you guys don't want to allow synths/keys on the flips.
But.... no layering? Especially with an 'empty' sample like this one?
I think the sample is quite good for a flip but not with this rule.
I'm expecting that the quality of the few submissions will not be that good.
Just an assumption, I can be tooootally wrong...


 



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 04:50 AM

How can a breakbeat be a grey area? It should be really really illegal. But I agree with fleat. Its a fun rule but too hardcore for most. And with the loophole you made, its likely that nearly everyone will use a breakbeat anyway.

 

I think either the drums should be excluded from the monophonic rule or breakbeats shouldnt be allowed


Edited by heggemon, 26 April 2014 - 04:51 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:22 AM

...well it's no big deal to make drums without overlapping sounds... thing is:  that would be the only thing playing at that time...

...no other sounds allowed at the same time... insert sounds in the spaces between the hits with reverb and/or delay to stretch'em out?

...that still would mean sound would overlap...



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:27 AM

I really like the rule this week. It'll require quite a bit of work to pull off, but I'm certain that most everyone here could make something dope with this rule set still.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:59 AM

lol 



#11 breakmastercylinder

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:35 AM

Good morning! 

...well it's no big deal to make drums without overlapping sounds... thing is:  that would be the only thing playing at that time...

...no other sounds allowed at the same time... insert sounds in the spaces between the hits with reverb and/or delay to stretch'em out?

...that still would mean sound would overlap...

The reverb/delay thing is a good point. Maybe we should get rid of them - you could still manually make something sound delayed, just by repeating it later, slightly softer, right?

 

How can a breakbeat be a grey area? It should be really really illegal. But I agree with fleat. Its a fun rule but too hardcore for most. And with the loophole you made, its likely that nearly everyone will use a breakbeat anyway.

 

I think either the drums should be excluded from the monophonic rule or breakbeats shouldnt be allowed

Sounds good. Breakbeats are verboten now.

 

IMO is the monophonic rule just bad...
I can understand why a lot of you guys don't want to allow synths/keys on the flips.
But.... no layering? Especially with an 'empty' sample like this one?
I think the sample is quite good for a flip but not with this rule.
I'm expecting that the quality of the few submissions will not be that good.
Just an assumption, I can be tooootally wrong...


 

You know, I agree with you. I have serious regret not just letting everyone go nuts with this sample because I really like it, but backing out now might keep us from something interesting. I'm happy to add keys back to the equation though - doesn't change too much. 

 

...Felicitations BMC! ...Hahaha..you did warn us there would be crazy rules if you won! ;)...

 

 

Found this... 

 

...Oh boy... this is gonna take some doing, making s'thing worth listening to!

 

...edit: so to get things clear... when you have drums or a  bassline  or an acapella playing you can not have a melody playing at the same time?

 

..edit 2: so may reverb and delay overlap?

You're correct - when any sound plays, it is only that sound. I can see how sidechaining a sidechain of a sidechain might make that work for you... or just tight chops.

I'm sorry to say I can't view that video :/

 

EDIT: synth is ok, breakbeats are illegal, don't use FX in a way that breaks rule 6. 



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:36 AM

I really like the rule this week. It'll require quite a bit of work to pull off, but I'm certain that most everyone here could make something dope with this rule set still.

Also thank you. I am blown away by how capable the people on this board are.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:45 AM

this is gonna be fun



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:47 AM

...okay..I think i've thought a strategy... see if I can make it work!

 

...It's your party BMC... enjoy it... it might be your last! ;)

 

...edit:  Oh, the youtube link is not playing...?

...type: Musical Textures - Monophonic.... on youtube...hope it comes up! ..there's a good clue in there!



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 06:50 AM

so does a beat juggle of the sample count as being monophonic (seeing as its technically one sound being used)?



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:09 AM

so does a beat juggle of the sample count as being monophonic (seeing as its technically one sound being used)?

ya, that works.

the sample may have many things going on in it at any given moment, but it's always counted as one element.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:11 AM

...okay..I think i've thought a strategy... see if I can make it work!

 

...It's your party BMC... enjoy it... it's gonna be your last! ;)

 

...edit:  Oh, the youtube link is not playing...?

...type: Musical Textures - Monophonic.... on youtube...hope it comes up! ..there's a good clue in there!

That's a good video!! Could sample the hell out of that, I reckon.

 



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:18 AM

what if treat drums separate from melody . mono drum beat + mono sample/ bass/synth part

 

might yield better results.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:24 AM

So.... No drums can be playing at the same time as anything else?

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:26 AM

That's a good video!! Could sample the hell out of that, I reckon.

 

...haha.. not for sampling... there's one little piece of info in there that might come in handy...



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:32 AM

Awesome rule! MLRV would be good to use for this, or any sampler or midi controller with pads. I wish there was more rules like this. Also wish I didn't pawn my SP-202, I would've used it for this, I guess i'll just use my 404. Good luck everyone!



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:00 AM

So.... No drums can be playing at the same time as anything else?

correct!

 

...haha.. not for sampling... there's one little piece of info in there that might come in handy...

oh yeah, gotcha. but also.. that guy summed it up nicely.

 

what if treat drums separate from melody . mono drum beat + mono sample/ bass/synth part

 

might yield better results.

you're totally right that it might, but let's stick with the original rule and see what happens.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 08:02 AM

Congrats on the win, breakmaster. well deserved ! Fire two weeks in a row.

 

I'm guessing u mean no (cut up) drumloops instead of no breakbeats ?



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:11 AM

Congrats on the win, breakmaster. well deserved ! Fire two weeks in a row.

 

I'm guessing u mean no (cut up) drumloops instead of no breakbeats ?

Thanks Six!!!

Yes. Right. No drumloops.. although really you could extract lone sounds from a drum loop, as long as they're monophonic.

 

Anything you want to do, you have to use your judgement as to whether it violates rule #6.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:48 AM

 

 

m ma  ma

 

 

sidechained drums to sample, so everytime the drums hit it mutes out the sample, then sidechained bass over everything, so when bass plays it mutes everything.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:21 AM

That was fun! here's mine (forgive me if some sounds overlap)



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:29 AM

 

 

m ma  ma

 

 

sidechained drums to sample, so everytime the drums hit it mutes out the sample, then sidechained bass over everything, so when bass plays it mutes everything.

i was thinking the same thing Jondis lol. just sidechain, using a gate or something like that, but he said no fx. would that be considered using fx?



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:35 AM

ima try to take on this challenge, i assume all the beats will come out choppy like Jondis. good rule in my opinion,  gonna be difficult to make a dope sounding beat with that rule.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:39 AM

You say keys are OK, but um, what about playing chords? Is that OK

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:54 AM

 

Found this one tricky with the rules!

 

Heres mine, all sounds from the sample except an additional kick.


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