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#1 reed401

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 12:00 PM

http://www.legitmix.com supposedly this website is allowing artists to sample legally, but I don't feel this would necessarily hold up in a court of law. Not trying to get a whole sampling debate going but just wanted other peoples opinions on this. I mean I think it would be bad ass if it works, but still feel like somewhere along the lines there would be legality issues.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 12:59 PM

i don't get it.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 01:34 PM

I was out of breath just reading that.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 03:41 PM

I was out of breath just reading that.


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Posted 03 February 2014 - 03:47 PM

Yah,
They didn't make the presentation very sexy.




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Posted 03 February 2014 - 04:03 PM

Over engineering. What we need is a (low) flat rate for sample use, with additional increments based on sales.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 04:21 PM

So can anybody explain what the dilly yo is?

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 04:25 PM

Sampling is still illegal without compensation or consent. Thread closed.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 04:29 PM

Yes but these guys have figured out some ingenious way as to how to make it profitable and legal. They are geniuses who are so smart, their explanation is difficult to comprehend. I believe they did it, like I believe in magic.



I am trying to be funny, but honestly, I would like to know this magical new system.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 04:33 PM

basically they're operating like the pastebin of sampling clearance companies, from what i understand. they have this weird algorithm that technically makes it a different song than the original; however, you still have to 1) list your credited sample, and 2) have a copy of said source material on your computer if you want to hear the beat. it's basically like an over-exaggerated version of linking source material to your project on a DAW...because if you move that file between times you've opened it to work on, it will say something like "cannot find '__________.wav' "or something, and therefore none of the samples will play that it can't find. to me it just sounds really, really stupid.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 04:56 PM

I dont really get it either, but the website looks really douchy
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:02 PM

^amen. gtfoh, sketchy "legal" sampling services are straight-up WHACK

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:08 PM

I don't understand cats who do straight up samples now adays anyway. I mean some really obscure shit sure, but as a producer, I always felt bad, or lazy, if I just took a sample and looped it. I needed to chop, layer, add shit in, rearrange pan, pitch shift etc. most of my chunes I don't think would be found guilty of copyright infringement.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 08:04 PM

Damn right Mangoes, and once you have done that I can't see how this program would be able to reproduce your tune even if you listed your sources. Even if you were straight loop jackin like Diddy, I wonder how far you would need to adjust pitch/timing/EQ/sequence before it couldn't 'rebuild' your song or whatever it does. Essentially it would need to be able to to recreate anything anybody might do to a sample in any DAW/Sampler, seems very unlikely.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 08:30 PM

True,
Some of my more complex, in depth tunes chopped a single source a hundred times, rearranged.

Anyhow, I digress.

On a side note, do you know that Diddy's I'll be missing you has made something like a 100 million in profits, but Diddy has not seen a penny since he never asked Sting for sample permission. So, Sting has gotten it all.



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 08:47 PM

Oh well I suppose it doesn't matter since that 'song' was a heartfelt tribute to his 'friend', just like reading a poem at his wake or something, and not at all an attempt to cash in or raise profile on the back of his death.

Ur loops is ill btw, that thing got no chance unpicking them!

Like Sting needs any more money!
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 09:45 PM

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 09:55 PM

Oh well I suppose it doesn't matter since that 'song' was a heartfelt tribute to his 'friend', just like reading a poem at his wake or something, and not at all an attempt to cash in or raise profile on the back of his death.

Ur loops is ill btw, that thing got no chance unpicking them!

Like Sting needs any more money!


So heartfelt that it was ghostwritten. LOL

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:40 AM

There seem to be many flaws. If you sample from vinyl, the waveform is different to the same song waveform sampled from CD, and different again from mp3, so this ting only works if you get all ur shit off iTunes or whatever in identical format andso does the end listener, otherwise it won't match. iTunes ain't got that turkish folk lp you took that tambourine off etc. I would have to hear it from a record company lawyer that they are cool with this shit. Also they are claiming that they can recreate whatever you did to a sample in your sampler/Daw. This will fold, quick imo or just be for people doing very basic David Guetta remixes using mp3s, toys basically.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:25 AM

http://youtu.be/Ckh76KzjTN0
http://youtu.be/1rPA0BGfsjE


This is so wack

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:28 AM

There seem to be many flaws. If you sample from vinyl, the waveform is different to the same song waveform sampled from CD, and different again from mp3, so this ting only works if you get all ur shit off iTunes or whatever in identical format andso does the end listener, otherwise it won't match. iTunes ain't got that turkish folk lp you took that tambourine off etc. I would have to hear it from a record company lawyer that they are cool with this shit. Also they are claiming that they can recreate whatever you did to a sample in your sampler/Daw. This will fold, quick imo or just be for people doing very basic David Guetta remixes using mp3s, toys basically.


what if you pitched it down, reversed it, sampled it i a sp12, added reverb and delay. How they gonna do dat. And what if you use some drum samples that you bought. How are they gonna lay down the exact same drum over the samples. Also what if theres a rapper on the top ???

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:33 AM

Exactly bro

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:13 AM

The real question is, who's gonna be the first person around these parts to test drive this incredibly stupid website?
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 05:55 AM

So wait,
You make a song, from samples. You list the samples used and expect someone else to recreate the song on there own,with the sampled music?? Whu? This is just disturbingly bad.


2 legit mix 2 quit.


Edit.
It sounds like the creators are used to thier sampled music being a straight up, obvious loop with drums added in. Nothing too tricky.... Or good. Oh man this is terrible.

Edit edit.
It could be a good thing if, you just listed samples used and purchasers bought a package payin you and the sampled artists, but this whole recreate the song thing.., Whu?
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:13 PM

True,
Some of my more complex, in depth tunes chopped a single source a hundred times, rearranged.

Anyhow, I digress.

On a side note, do you know that Diddy's I'll be missing you has made something like a 100 million in profits, but Diddy has not seen a penny since he never asked Sting for sample permission. So, Sting has gotten it all.


I am inclined to say that info is In error. I read that Sting was paid for the sample.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:26 PM

Thats what I heard very recently! tho I think it was from Buzzfeed, "did you know??" Kind of thing giving random facts about random things.

Edit.
http://ultimateclass...ddy-2000-a-day/
2000 smackers a day in royalties. Sheesh.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:53 PM

what if you pitched it down, reversed it, sampled it i a sp12, added reverb and delay. How they gonna do dat. And what if you use some drum samples that you bought. How are they gonna lay down the exact same drum over the samples. Also what if theres a rapper on the top ???


My point exactly, its like there explanation doesn't really pan out.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:58 PM

So wait,
You make a song, from samples. You list the samples used and expect someone else to recreate the song on there own,with the sampled music?? Whu? This is just disturbingly bad.


2 legit mix 2 quit.


Edit.
It sounds like the creators are used to thier sampled music being a straight up, obvious loop with drums added in. Nothing too tricky.... Or good. Oh man this is terrible.

Edit edit.
It could be a good thing if, you just listed samples used and purchasers bought a package payin you and the sampled artists, but this whole recreate the song thing.., Whu?

That's what i'm thinking it is. I know you have to download some program, that scans your computer to see if you have the original song. Its ran through java but they don't explain it that way. They make it seem like they reverse engineer your song and break it down. I still am kind of lost like legality this still seems illegal lmao.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:04 PM

I was out of breath just reading that.

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Lmao my bad wrote it on my phone didn't really think of punctuation at the time. Lol cleaned it up now.





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