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#1 nervous

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 11:14 PM

No one mentioned this anywhere yet, and it might not be an official birthdate, but it's 40 years since Hip Hop began...

Lot of history already and a lot to be thankful for...

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I'm sorta proud to be born the same year as Hip Hop.
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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:05 AM

'Mike with the light!'

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 10:37 AM

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 11:28 PM

Anyone into Hiphop should get that KRS book The Gospel Of Hiphop, says it all, you'll find it's a hell of a lot older than 40 years. I love the fact he states that it was already in motion for years waiting to become the whole ethos, which is Hiphop, basically a metaphorical statement of life it self, Hiphop is a conscious being itself, it needed to happen. Also explains why there is no recorded material of Kool Herc. Also dam good to hear Kool Herc is healing up after that bitch illness nearly topped him off.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:00 PM

Anyone into Hiphop should get that KRS book The Gospel Of Hiphop, says it all, you'll find it's a hell of a lot older than 40 years


definitely, my favorite KRS quote is from that one rant where he equates ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs to modern-day graffiti...dude is mad intelligent, and deserving of the title "best rapper alive". DOOM may be my personal fav, but there's no questioning KRS-One's supremacy.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:34 PM

definitely, my favorite KRS quote is from that one rant where he equates ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs to modern-day graffiti...dude is mad intelligent, and deserving of the title "best rapper alive". DOOM may be my personal fav, but there's no questioning KRS-One's supremacy.

Takes a long time to digest it, you've heard him, can you imagine how intense KRS writing about the most important thing to him is. Should be given out at school.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 03:53 PM

As much as I don't really like his music. This was one of the most interesting things I have seen the last few days.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:06 AM

It's pretty lucky, and weird, that Kool Herc decided to put the year on that flyer

Hahah

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:13 AM

I think it's weird the date and location are written in marker while the rest is in pen. CIA conspiracy anyone?

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:29 AM

definitely

I bet in reality Kool Herc wasn't even born until 1991

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:30 AM

I'm not sure he was born at all.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 05:06 PM

the party cost online 25 cents wtf

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:24 AM

the party cost online 25 cents wtf


It was a ploy by Herc's big sister to raise money for new school clothes. Back then a quarter went a little bit further than it does today due to inflation of the money supply.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:51 AM

i would've paid TWO quarters to get into that shit...
although i wonder how awkward it must have been watching Herc go "rerefdjfadjfkadjfaadf" as he rewound the record every 8 bars lol, that probably broke the flow up a little bit.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

You gotta start somewhere.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:38 PM

i would've paid TWO quarters to get into that shit...
although i wonder how awkward it must have been watching Herc go "rerefdjfadjfkadjfaadf" as he rewound the record every 8 bars lol, that probably broke the flow up a little bit.


Herc was in another room adjacent to the party and would have to open the door and peek in to see the people dancing. Scratching and all that jazz wasn't Herc's forte and/or contribution to the culture. As a recent Jamacian immigrant he was familiar with the dub and sound systems scenes of his native island and was really just injecting soul and R&B breaks into that equation. So that night Kool Herc was much more a sound selector than anything else. Younger cats would take the simple idea Herc brought to the table and started scratching and doing other flashy things to mix in showmanship over the next few years. With regards to the inventor of the scratch, that title belongs to none other than Grand Wizard Theodore.
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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:50 PM

Scratching and all that jazz wasn't Herc's forte and/or contribution to the culture.


makes sense; but doesn't the story go that he was playing the breaks of records over and over for like <5 mins. at a time on a single turntable? so isn't that part of rewinding the record unavoidable just based on his set-up? i know it wasn't scratching, but i'm pretty sure it was the only way for him to get back to that part of the track since this was pre-crossfader days...i guess he could've picked the needle up and dropped it back on the break, but either way the music is stopping for those few seconds. i think KRS even mentions this in that lecture posted at the top of this thread.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:04 PM

With regards to the inventor of the scratch, that title belongs to none other than Grand Wizard Theodore.


I thought it was this dude:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxlAhd36D-U

But seriously, what a contribution!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxef0o20S30
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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:38 PM

i guess he could've picked the needle up and dropped it back on the break, but either way the music is stopping for those few seconds. i think KRS even mentions this in that lecture posted at the top of this thread.


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he was doing a very rough needle drop that wasn't too accurate.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:17 PM

One of the all time greatestsitists.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:15 PM

One of the all time greatestsitists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMK1l0MmqoM


i'm trying that technique out on my next beat...i've tried it before, but it never turned out that well. maybe this can explain that one Jay Dee beat...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz84AKOfk_0

but i guess that could also be done by micro-chopping those vocal cuts and gating each one out to play randomly throughout the pattern...Madlib does that shit a lot too.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:46 PM

I don't think he does needle drops for the actual production.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:33 PM

I don't think he does needle drops for the actual production.


maybe i'm thinking of someone else, but i know i've heard this style of production before the vid...

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:15 AM

Really? I can see djs doing it live as part of a showmanship thing, but to make a record via needle drop, when you have today's technology seems a bit unnesacary.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:45 PM

Herc was def needle dropping if it was a long break, the selector rewind was just for the beginning of a track.

Needle dropping is fun, but I would never recommend it for production. It's one of those things that when you are fucking around with it, the weed haze got you all like "this is the most amazing shit ever!" But in reality it just sounds like a jumbled, sloppy mess.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:58 PM

i kinda like that jumbled mess, though. as long as you can get it to be mostly on-beat like in the Q-Tip vid, i don't see a problem with it at all. it makes for more interesting loops and unexpected change-ups in the beat that you can't really get any other way...

oh, but i think i was thinking of J Rocc when he makes beats live-- he might've been the one i heard doing it.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 04:36 PM

I could see recording a sesh with needle drops because you can find unexpected funk hits. Then go back and edit parts, find loops ect. But an album of needle drops has the potential for disaster.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 10:35 PM

yeah, i'm not saying an entire album would work-- but it's hard to deny that the loops Tip was coming up with just on the spot were dope as shit...he even says himself that they should've done the record like that. i think it would work if done correctly...just fuck around on a turntable while tracking it into audacity or a sampler or something, then go back in and trim it up nice. then bam! there's a beat.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:19 AM

it will only work that well when a loopable section (full bar, 2 bars, half bar, whatever) breaks pretty evenly in relation to a full rotation of the record

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:21 AM

it could also work the way that i tried it back when i was still pretty new to producing, where i would just drop the needle in random spots of the record in a rhythmic way and then trim it up to a 4-bar "loop" of indiscriminate sounds...

it actually turned out pretty dope, cause you would just hear "ah ooh uh uh eh ohh uhh eh ah uh eh ooh ehh ah oh uh eh" looping in a weirdly cool pattern; and there's no other way to make that kinda sound besides that technique. but i would like to try doing it this other way, and make something more front and center rather than just a background sample filling up the empty space in a track.




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