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Posted 05 January 2014 - 03:28 AM

OK so maybe I got a little lost here but what does Flying Lotus have to do with drum'n'bass? Can't think of any of his music that comes close to it. Haven't listened to loads of d'n'b either but I can't pick many of his production techniques that you'd hear with some of the big names like Roni Size or Goldie...


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As cool as ODK's mate sounds by doing hip hop with slowed down d'n'b in 99, slowed down d'n'b with hip hop rhythms had been done a few years prior by groups like Techno Animal. Check this at the 5:30 mark, it was published in '96. Pretty sure Scorn & TA had been doing stuff like this earlier too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9aNbGlgb8
But that doesn't mean that ODK's mate was biting 'cause it's not like Techno Animal were big or part of a poplular scene. Chances are both experimented & came to the same conclusion: slowed d'n'b rules.

Oh yeah, the inventor of the wobble was the dude/dudette that designed the low frequency oscillator & hooked it up to their low pass filter.

Ahh you know what you've just raised, you know when you and a really good mate say something at the same time and your tuned in, this can happen with people you have never met, it can happen with creative Ideas, I totally forgot about these lyrics I had written years ago, I then got into listening to Slug with Atmosphere, weird shit happened I had literally written the same lyrics, I'd never met him and it was a year before I heard him.

What this is called is being on the same wavelength, you get it everywhere, to me Idea's are like a shelf full of baked bean cans, it just depends if you pick the can up on your own, or someone else's reaches for the same can (Idea). This shows we are all connected one way or another.

The reference between Flylo and DnB, is basically some of the more dancey type of stuff he does, growly bass'es, distorted sounds, prob a bit more techno orientated thinking about some of sounds, he needs to leave it, thats what I mean about sticking to what he's good at.You won't hear it within Goldie or Roni Size, they're both old school Jungle heads, and use warmer Jazzy influences. The way Roni Sizes works is standing in a club taking note and watching peoples movements what makes them all go at the same time, I've stood next to him in a night club and watched him watching then had a chat about his little notebook with the master plan for making bangers for the club.

I kind of meant these sounds



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 03:46 AM

Ahh you know what you've just raised, you know when you and a really good mate say something at the same time and your tuned in, this can happen with people you have never met, it can happen with creative Ideas, I totally forgot about these lyrics I had written years ago, I then got into listening to Slug with Atmosphere, weird shit happened I had literally written the same lyrics, I'd never met him and it was a year before I heard him.

What this is called is being on the same wavelength, you get it everywhere, to me Idea's are like a shelf full of baked bean cans, it just depends if you pick the can up on your own, or someone else's reaches for the same can (Idea). This shows we are all connected one way or another.


This is why I feel like trying to be "original" is kinda of a waste of time, I think it is more important to try and be sincere and make music you can feel. Experimenting to me should be a natural thing for anyone making music. I mean if you don't experiment it all, making music can become mad boring.

On the whole biting idea, I think it isn't anything to worry about at the level of established names like Dilla, Madlib, Flylo, or whoever. As said before most of us was inspired by someone to take up this craft and probably studied them to learn how to make beats. Eventuly you'll end up taking a little hear and there and then you'll start adding in other things you like, and If you don't and just remain a Dilla copy, who cares. You'll probably won't get much to attention anyway.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 04:27 AM

Hip-hop and dnb you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KZoWLot0g
It has been going ever since dnb first appeared if I'm not mistaken.

Here's a very cool interactive map regarding the evolution of EDM and everything related:
http://www.thomson.c...-map/index.html

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 06:24 AM

Hip-hop and dnb you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2KZoWLot0g
It has been going ever since dnb first appeared if I'm not mistaken.

Here's a very cool interactive map regarding the evolution of EDM and everything related:
http://www.thomson.c...-map/index.html

TUNE!!!!!!!!
Dam am I showing my age, 20 years ago must of been 16, group of about 18 of us smoking and drinking on the beach and this tune dropped, I said out of the Jungle is Hiphop fast, now bear in mind I was still a metal head and conquering the six stringed bass with 3 finger playing style, because I wasn't part of either scene I was laughed at, basically told what would a metal head know, I said it don't take a genius to work out the break half speed would be Hiphop. I had never heard of the Amen break, didn't get what mixing was, didn't understand sampling, but I knew I was right, and even more so the more I looked into peoples obsessions with breaks and how they were used, it was literally 4 years later in a club the same tune dropped, 4 years of soaking up knowledge about drums n breaks, and the same guys were there actually remembered and came over, now we were on the same wavelength as they also had looked into it, I said jokingly, thanks for making me feel like an total twat, when I was right.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 06:31 AM

This is why I feel like trying to be "original" is kinda of a waste of time, I think it is more important to try and be sincere and make music you can feel. Experimenting to me should be a natural thing for anyone making music. I mean if you don't experiment it all, making music can become mad boring.

On the whole biting idea, I think it isn't anything to worry about at the level of established names like Dilla, Madlib, Flylo, or whoever. As said before most of us was inspired by someone to take up this craft and probably studied them to learn how to make beats. Eventuly you'll end up taking a little hear and there and then you'll start adding in other things you like, and If you don't and just remain a Dilla copy, who cares. You'll probably won't get much to attention anyway.

Thats the annoying thing though they do get attention, they usually win the beat battles each week, because I'm pretty sure it's younger heads that can't help it but don't know any better it's the" Shit man this is sick it sounds just like....... I'm voting for this" and then all of a sudden their followers go shooting through the roof on soundcloud, a perfect example is that Taku bloke who did all those Dilla tribute beats, I know it's not the battles we do here but it's the same principal.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 07:20 AM

That is why I got out of the beat battles and why I never like the idea of beat battles. Most of the time it's not really about who's doing the most innovative thing or who is doing something original. When I do enter the beat battles here it is usually out of boredom and I usually make beats that more or less conform to the current beat trends. I do think the beat battles here or more for the young cats and guys just getting into beatmaking, I personally developed a lot doing the stbb. But I do understand how frustrating it can be, but I don't think these cats can really go far and achieve a significant level of success just being clones and doing the same thing over and over. But I could be wrong, just look at 9th Wonder, he has been making the same ish for years now.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 07:54 AM

That is why I got out of the beat battles and why I never like the idea of beat battles. Most of the time it's not really about who's doing the most innovative thing or who is doing something original. When I do enter the beat battles here it is usually out of boredom and I usually make beats that more or less conform to the current beat trends. I do think the beat battles here or more for the young cats and guys just getting into beatmaking, I personally developed a lot doing the stbb. But I do understand how frustrating it can be, but I don't think these cats can really go far and achieve a significant level of success just being clones and doing the same thing over and over. But I could be wrong, just look at 9th Wonder, he has been making the same ish for years now.

Ha ha!!! yup couldn't agree more, you can def tell the age gap with the battles. 9th Wonder comment is so spot on!!!

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:15 PM



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:18 PM



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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:21 PM



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 04:25 AM

So we turned this into a DNB thread? Alright:




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Posted 06 January 2014 - 04:46 AM



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:04 AM



A.I. stepped back into the game last year with this huge tune.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 09:52 AM

Oh man I was at the first Kemistry & Storm gig when Kemistry was killed by a cats eye, a van had dislodged, really fucked up way to go, hit her in the eye and instantly killed her, lets just say what happened with Storms set was something I've never been close to feeling again, as a kind of way of respecting it, no one in that club drank or took any class A's, Made a change for everyone to be on a pure level for once.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:46 AM

This is why I feel like trying to be "original" is kinda of a waste of time, I think it is more important to try and be sincere and make music you can feel. Experimenting to me should be a natural thing for anyone making music. I mean if you don't experiment it all, making music can become mad boring.


I can sort off agree with this. I use music as an outlet for stuff that goes on daily. Experimenting and combining idea's are indeed valuable assets. Most of the good stuff in my tunes(speaking for myself here) are accident related.

I don't agree fully because i think you as an artist or beatmaker should have the highest expections from yourself while doing it.Being very critical. So going all out in your production and putting u up on a pedestal thinking u'r doing some original stuff will in fact have a very positive effect on the outcome. It's a mental attitude.It's a happy floaty vibe ,you snap out of it afterwards,

I think the real magic comes from new combinations. Combining is key.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:42 AM

I can sort off agree with this. I use music as an outlet for stuff that goes on daily. Experimenting and combining idea's are indeed valuable assets. Most of the good stuff in my tunes(speaking for myself here) are accident related.

I don't agree fully because i think you as an artist or beatmaker should have the highest expections from yourself while doing it.Being very critical. So going all out in your production and putting u up on a pedestal thinking u'r doing some original stuff will in fact have a very positive effect on the outcome. It's a mental attitude.It's a happy floaty vibe ,you snap out of it afterwards,

I think the real magic comes from new combinations. Combining is key.

Glad you popped by with that point of view, basically self belief and believe in what you doing, it's brilliant as you can apply that to your whole life, your wavelength that you are on, ends up natural also, as everything starts to be interconnected. Life is the beat and vice versa.
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