Jump to content


Photo

New J DIlla album, The Diary

aka the MCA album

  • Please log in to reply
150 replies to this topic

#31 fungus

fungus

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 353 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Traverse City / Detroit, MI

Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:07 AM

They've released tons of sub-par projects with Dilla's name on them, even going as far as to recycle some beats. They've allowed for shitty rappers to rhyme over his beats: doing the instrumentals a complete disservice. They've "completed" some unfinished/ obscure loops they've unearthed: compromising the integrity of his work. They've even gone as far as to sell from the mans personal record collection.

By "they" you mean his mom.

#32 MWBOOGIE

MWBOOGIE

    STMB Official

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,622 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Northside CHI
  • Interests:All Love and Praise goes to my fallen brother St. Manute.
  • Soundcloud:Nick Papadopoulos 4

Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:36 AM

I am not hating on the Estate. I have spoken to some involved and they have been really nice people. Its like anything--should treat it like the Hope Diamond-yeah. There is money to be made--The Estate deserves to profit as much as it can off of his gifts. Of course, you guys all know how I feel about shit--use creative judgement.

This is an incongruent feeling, that I too have...every time there is a mention of Dilla and a project--I am like?????

Or "Dilla Changed MY Life": I want to hit the pause button. But same with cats wearing golden age Tshirts and they pants is tight with broke ass Jordans. They making up for their lack of dicks.

Who am I to question a Yancey boys record or whatever? Personally, I know that it is not Dilla. The hardest cats all pretend to get soft when his name comes up, but you can see it inside their eyes that they no know not what of Gods and BroKing speak.

We will just have to grin and bear it much like everything else that is happening. I went through some weird shit a some five years ago--and I retreated to a cave with just my vinyl and none of this internet shit. I wouldn't even touch a sampler. I hoped everything would be kept on the low--but androids kept being built and dickriders took over. Shit, mocha -flavored/Irish Coffee Starbucks Obama won an election on that shit.


OfficeTime I'd love to hear some examples that you have, sometime.

#33 James Frank.

James Frank.

    Deacon Schmooze

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,061 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:DENVER
  • Interests:crates, paint, sashimi, sticks of sherm.

Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:52 AM

I don't know what Dilla's dying wishes were, but considering how close friends of his reacted to some of these things in the media, I find it safe to assume that much, if not all, of this aftermath were not ambitions of his.


true dat. i gotta admit though, i did buy one of Jay's records haha...
but yeah, you raise a good point. we should just take everything Dilla-related and close it off for several years, like they do with the movies in the Disney vaults every couple of years.

#34 Templar

Templar

    Member

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 51 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:14 PM

good timing http://potholesinmyb...s-songs-shirts/

#35 SunnyMeadowz

SunnyMeadowz

    The Royal Dutch of Dukes

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,342 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Denver
  • Interests:Weed, Pussy, Records (In no particular order)

Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:18 PM

I don't fault Ma Dukes for selling those records one bit. They were discovered in an abandoned storage unit and given to her by the guy who bought then for a few hundred bucks. His family racked up a ton of money in medical costs that these things help Ma Dukes recover from.
  • GC90, Jubito and verycojo like this

#36 OfficeTime8889

OfficeTime8889

    a hidden interlude

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 762 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:07 PM

OfficeTime I'd love to hear some examples that you have, sometime.


Examples of what?

#37 OfficeTime8889

OfficeTime8889

    a hidden interlude

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 762 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:26 PM

I don't fault Ma Dukes for selling those records one bit. They were discovered in an abandoned storage unit and given to her by the guy who bought then for a few hundred bucks. His family racked up a ton of money in medical costs that these things help Ma Dukes recover from.


That's an excellent point. I definitely sympathize w/ how things have gone for the Yancey family. I have enough perspective in me to understand why things have been done as they have; I just wish that it wasn't at the expense of Dilla's artistic integrity, that's all. Posthumous works in general are of inevitable contentious nature. If his estate wasn't releasing the EPs, beat albums, compilations, and so forth that they have, I, and others like myself, would probably be writing about how they should release his unreleased works.

For the record, I bought one of the records from Jay's personal collection and, until exhaustion, was indulging in many of his posthumous releases. I guess what happened was that the supply became much greater than the demand. It was as if every other month some new J Dilla project was hitting store shelves or "in the works"; there was a time, albeit brief, probably right after The Shining was released, when Dilla heads were longing with anything Dilla related. Dilla had brand loyalty with me...then I grew increasingly frustrated with the quality, politics, and basis of the the posthumous release themselves and I stopped investing in the projects.

That's the truth

#38 MWBOOGIE

MWBOOGIE

    STMB Official

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,622 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Northside CHI
  • Interests:All Love and Praise goes to my fallen brother St. Manute.
  • Soundcloud:Nick Papadopoulos 4

Posted 14 January 2014 - 12:36 PM

Anyway, on the topic of tributes and whatnot--I was lucky to be a part of the taping of Phife Dawg, formerly of ATCQ's tribute to Dilla.



#39 DAWHUD

DAWHUD

    Sucker free since 79!!!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,129 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seatown to Indy
  • Interests:www.basementaddicts.com
  • Soundcloud:www.soundcloud.com/dawhud

Posted 17 January 2014 - 10:27 AM

I honestly haven't bought a "new" Dilla release since "Jay Love Japan". After that it was getting on the 2pac steeze.
  • JrSAMPLES likes this

#40 Flip Chillson

Flip Chillson

    Member

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 93 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Detroit, MI

Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:11 AM

Those drums!

#41 SunnyMeadowz

SunnyMeadowz

    The Royal Dutch of Dukes

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,342 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Denver
  • Interests:Weed, Pussy, Records (In no particular order)

Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:10 AM

I honestly haven't bought a "new" Dilla release since "Jay Love Japan". After that it was getting on the 2pac steeze.


I feel you there. When it comes to posthumous releases and Dilla there are only certain things I'm willing to buy or even listen to. For me if its a record that he actually did himself or just like an official release of some of his beat tape instrumentals then I'm totally willing to cop the vinyl. But releases like 'Rebirth' and to a big extent 'Jay $tay Paid' definitely turn me off.

#42 OfficeTime8889

OfficeTime8889

    a hidden interlude

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 762 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 22 April 2014 - 04:30 AM

I'd buy The Jay Dee Project on vinyl in a heartbeat. Also, if and when songs like what House Shoes posted some time ago and "Radio" ever see official releases, I'm all over them. Who knows, I might cop the The Diary when that's finally released. The new vocal material is pretty dope, I just can't commit to these small EPs b/c of the cash they equate to.

Waajeed used to post some super dope and rare Dilla tracks on Bling47's site too...it would be nice if those were hit with a barcode at some point as well.

The Album That Time Forgot by 5-Elementz needs to be pressed up too!!!!!!

#43 Goodz047

Goodz047

    2011

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 318 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London
  • Interests:Wax

Posted 22 April 2014 - 09:20 AM

The Album That Time Forgot by 5-Elementz needs to be pressed up too!!!!!!


Yes! I've been searchin' for years for that tape.

#44 OfficeTime8889

OfficeTime8889

    a hidden interlude

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 762 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:08 AM

Yes! I've been searchin' for years for that tape.


I wonder who owns the masters to that album. Typically labels own the recording copyright; the label for this project was That Was Entertainment, which I've never heard of. A reissue would be absolutely amazing, even if it was just on cassette like the original. More people need to know about 5 Ela, period!

#45 Goodz047

Goodz047

    2011

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 318 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London
  • Interests:Wax

Posted 22 April 2014 - 12:30 PM

Yeah this needs to happen. I've got the 3 45s that FNR (Funk Night Records) released a few years back.


http://5ela.bandcamp.com

http://5elaofficial.blogspot.co.uk

Not sure if they are currently active



#46 SunnyMeadowz

SunnyMeadowz

    The Royal Dutch of Dukes

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,342 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Denver
  • Interests:Weed, Pussy, Records (In no particular order)

Posted 29 May 2014 - 03:53 AM

Picked up the new 12" yesterday. The artwork is outstanding and that last track on the B side was worth the price of admission alone. I'm wondering where I've heard that beat before.

#47 fungus

fungus

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 353 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Traverse City / Detroit, MI

Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:57 AM

Picked up the new 12" yesterday. The artwork is outstanding and that last track on the B side was worth the price of admission alone. I'm wondering where I've heard that beat before.

 

track 5 is the one that was on the 2008 leak of the mca demos, right?  that's where u heard it.  



#48 SunnyMeadowz

SunnyMeadowz

    The Royal Dutch of Dukes

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,342 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Denver
  • Interests:Weed, Pussy, Records (In no particular order)

Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:53 PM

Nah, I've never dl that. Probably heard it on a J. Rocc mix/show.

#49 OfficeTime8889

OfficeTime8889

    a hidden interlude

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 762 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 22 January 2016 - 10:43 PM

guessing this is The Diary –– so it's real?  Source: Egon's IG: 1/22/16

 

Screen%20Shot%202016-01-23%20at%201.39.2


  • Jubito likes this

#50 Jubito

Jubito

    STMB Official

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 732 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lovran, Croatia
  • Interests:40 & A BLUNT, light1up, light the doobie 'till it glow like a ruby
  • Soundcloud:https://soundcloud.com/jubitoo

Posted 23 January 2016 - 08:20 AM

guessing this is The Diary –– so it's real?  Source: Egon's IG: 1/22/16

 

Screen%20Shot%202016-01-23%20at%201.39.2

WOOO!!

"It's Pay Jay, make sure the name on the check"

I hope there's some new and unreleased ish on it (read: tracks that can't be found on the bootleg of the MCA album).


  • OfficeTime8889 likes this

#51 OfficeTime8889

OfficeTime8889

    a hidden interlude

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 762 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 23 January 2016 - 12:22 PM

WOOO!!

"It's Pay Jay, make sure the name on the check"

I hope there's some new and unreleased ish on it (read: tracks that can't be found on the bootleg of the MCA album).

 Good call.  I think some of those tracks have been released over the last two years or so so we may be in the clear.  Egon's a part of these behind-the-scenes processes so, logically, he's among the first to see, touch, and hear these records, but I still marvel at the things he posts.  He's got test presses for days –– super limited runs. 



#52 SwampThing

SwampThing

    To Serve Man

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,152 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 23 January 2016 - 07:55 PM

yessssss



#53 Jubito

Jubito

    STMB Official

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 732 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lovran, Croatia
  • Interests:40 & A BLUNT, light1up, light the doobie 'till it glow like a ruby
  • Soundcloud:https://soundcloud.com/jubitoo

Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:10 AM

Here it is, official announcement:

http://www.rappcats....illa-the-diary/

 


  • soulREBEL360, OfficeTime8889, GC90 and 1 other like this

#54 4444

4444

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 337 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:42 AM

Two untitled bonus track for iTunes.

 

Interested to hear if the title track is more complete.

 

Egon mentions ideas of releasing Dilla's mix of Ruff Draft and the original unedited 20min Donuts...


  • GC90 and Low Hiss like this

#55 GC90

GC90

    Plibt

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,009 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seattle
  • Interests:Music

Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:42 AM

Damn, so good. 

 

Edit: Def worth checking out that Rolling Stones article, crazy to hear what Egon went through trying to get this thing put together.



#56 4444

4444

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 337 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:59 AM

Not knowing the bonus tracks, it appears The Doe and Kanye produced We F'd Up didn't make the record, right?

EDIT: Sorry, forgot The Anthem replaces F'd Up.

2: and The Doe is of course Give Them What They Want.

 

Gangsta Boogie is this track Wolf mentioned four years ago:

 

"We’ve always talked about doing it. I’ve talked to Ma Dukes about it. I don’t know. It would be great to put it out at some point. There are a lot of unfinished songs, like one where he shouts out Snoop Dogg, and Snoop was supposed to kick a verse but it never happened. If Stones Throw were to get clearance to release it, we’d get everyone who was involved, like Snoop, to help finish it."

 

So most likely a new verse.



#57 SwampThing

SwampThing

    To Serve Man

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,152 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 February 2016 - 11:27 AM

damn that article explains a few things, doesn't it

 

Also good to know that if we ever see any more legit dilla, it will be re-releases haha...



#58 fungus

fungus

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 353 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Traverse City / Detroit, MI

Posted 18 February 2016 - 11:50 AM

damn that article explains a few things, doesn't it

 

It explains nearly everything. There's also a few unexpected details like how all this stuff relates to Donuts & Ruff Draft.  I like the way the interview wrapped up:

 

Are there unexpected ways that you've seen Dilla change the world?
Let me put it to you this way, when Flying Lotus got nominated for a Grammy, I thought to myself, "Dilla made that possible." I mean it literally and allegorically. When I met Flying Lotus in the club where I was DJ'ing and he came up and said he wanted to be my intern. He wanted to be my intern because I was working with Dilla and Madlib, that's why he asked me if he could be my intern. When he started interning for Stones Throw, he wanted to be as close to Dilla as possible. Flying Lotus is now nominated for a Grammy. That happened in the wake of Dilla's passing and the release of Donuts and everything that followed. That's like one little thing that I was able to see happen and be like, wow, I never would have thought that would happen in a million years. Thanks, Dilla.


  • GC90 and verycojo like this

#59 fungus

fungus

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 353 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Traverse City / Detroit, MI

Posted 18 February 2016 - 11:52 AM

Not knowing the bonus tracks, it appears The Doe and Kanye produced We F'd Up didn't make the record, right?

EDIT: Sorry, forgot The Anthem replaces F'd Up.

 

I don't believe Kanye produced that track.  He himself said (on his website years ago) that he didn't remember the beat.  It could be that Kanye's beat is the one with the same sample that ended up on Jay Z's album.  We F'd Up seems like it's a remake of that beat.  Just a guess.  



#60 OfficeTime8889

OfficeTime8889

    a hidden interlude

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 762 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 February 2016 - 05:05 PM

Crazy how that Dilla track was officially released today.  I'd been searching for it over the last two weeks but couldn't find it any longer.

 

The version I remember was basically the track Dank speaks over on this House Shoes track, but w/ percussion… obviously.  I'm guessing it changed, albeit slightly, due to sample clearance issues?  Haven't read any of the press material on the track nor the official announcement of The Diary yet so I may be bringing up something already cleared up. 

 

 

EDIT: Just read the ​Rolling Stone article.  Egon is the f**king man!  So many interesting points in that article.  I'm happy he got a chance to get this message out.  I'll most likely end up ordering a copy to $upport mainly b/c of the backstory.  All the debt he left behind explains all the posthumous releases, doesn't it?  Hard to fault his family for trying to piece things together after the fact.  It's really a lose-lose situation… there's so much we never knew.  Hope his family's doing better now.  Things get messy in the music industry really quick.  Lawyers, estates, children, baby mommas, etc, etc.  


  • Jubito likes this




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users