Yeah man you do what I do pretty much, I'll eq around the bass to make the kick knock then the same in the other sounds to get the the snare the same, I do tend to use mulitband compression more these days to get clarity on the percs, Master buss I eq and use a freq analyser to make sure nothing is peaking over, Compression on the master buss make sure my level isn't going over -10, I then export the track out as a stereo file in floating 32 bit. I then open that up and then slap the Brainworx XL, Ozone is dope, but this one is banoodles, I sort the bass out and boost that, then the mid, then the side, I sidechain the side to the mid and then I'm done.
I find after you have surgically removed nasty frequencies, when you boost the entire track it doesn't hurt, it's about getting the mids right, and the mud in the low end.
Holy shit, "banoodles". I want things that are that.
I totally have mud, which eqing will help, but multiband compression sounds like a brilliant plan cause I have never once bothered to learn about it.
I think I tried it once and it squashed my sound so I got scared and left it alone. But I'm sure all I was doing was setting my attack too quickly.
Thanks for the advice man! Multiband it is. I'll take a look at Brainworx, although if I just bothered to learn the multiband compression I already have available to me, that'd be a good start. Lazy ass cylinder.
Surgery sounds good.
2 ideas: parallel compression on what you want to be loudest. "New York" style compression. Go crazy with it! Also don't be afraid to hit the limiter a bit hot... As long as your mix is good. Big tip though? Multi band. AT LEAST separate the bass out of the compressor with side chain. Don't let the bass choke the mix compressor, treat them separately
I love NY compression on drums. And I kind of do that when I have vocals to work with... just the original take alone sounds way too thin so I double the vocals, drop the pitch slightly, compress the shit out of them, pan them wide, and bring them up just a little. Sometimes delay helps them sit in the mix pretty well, but getting vocals to "sit" well is a whole other topic for sure...
I will totally try multiband!! I've got ozone and I've used everything there except multiband cause it looked daunting. That's my new mission. I'm positive that a big problem for me is using the same compression for all frequencies. That doesn't even make sense when you think about it.
I have this problem too. Often I find my tracks being about 4-5 notches lower compared to many other comparable tracks. I don't get it because my track is peaking at -.02 so I can't wrap my head around it.
I track out my entire beat (typically 15-20 tracks), EQ them (mostly high passes on everything, but bass and kick. Making cuts wheres needed, boost sometimes.). Usually no compression, except on my bass tracks (electronic or synth). I'll add soft clippers as well. I make sure I have about -6 DB of headroom on the mix before I bounce all the tracks.
I open up the bounced file in a new session of Reaper, open up an instance of T-Racks and use one of their mastering limiter presets, because I figure those guys know a lot more about mastering than I do. Of course I'll tweak that chain a bit to my liking and also add an EQ and soft clipper. So my chain looks like:
Compression-->EQ-->Image expander (sometimes)-->Soft Clipper (1-2 db gain)-->multiband limiter (6 db+ gain).
Even with all this, I find my music to be a bit low, but like you said BMC volume isn't the ultimate goal b/c the listener can easily compensate with their volume knob, but still I would like to know why they have to to begin with!
I think mix-wise your tracks are REALLY clean. I'm totally impressed. That volume thing is tricky, I'm gonna try multiband and see if clearing some of the mud out of my mix allows me to boost the levels without frying everything.
I would like to know why too.
I apply mastering effects directly to my original project file, which I'm beginning to think is a mistake. You (and ODK) said you bounce to a new session; not only would I be using less processing power but then I'd still have my original project file to go back to if I completely fuck the mix up and want to start again.
On the other hand I have to be 100% sure I like my mix before I bounce. I do change my mind a lot.
I don't use much compression either, because like you we don't write pounding dance music with so many elements that you have to sort of wedge them together in the mix. It's possible I should be applying just a little bit to each basic element though - bass and synth especially. I get that compression is supposed to be like "glue" but I am not savvy enough to use just the right amount yet.
actually i wanted to make a video how i do it and know that others also do. at the end u can use the vid for finding u own way of sound.
i got a bit of experience doing that. so if someone else got questions hit me up on facebook. search my name and ull find it..
That could only be helpful ~ post a link when it's done! I watched a Ozone 4 Multiband tutorial vid after ODK and Grifty recommended it, I find watching people work to be really useful.
Thanks for reaching out, I might totally ask your advice at some point.