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• Anthony Black Bio & Interview
• Miles "Butch" Loyd Interview
ANTHONY BLACK
In 1969 Anthony Black had to “go to work” as a technician at Eli Lilly Pharmaceuticals in Indianapolis, but he had a music-jones that he couldn’t shake. His brother’s best friend, a young drummer named Matthew Watson, had a small deal with local entrepreneur Herb Miller’s LAMP imprint with his group Ebony Rhythm Band. Watson suggested that Black approach Miller as a songwriter. He did, and Black left LAMP’s offices enthused when Miller opened the door for submissions. Grabbing a copy of The Vanguards’ LAMP hit “Somebody Please,” Black returned home and crafted early ideas for a tune called “It’s Too Late For Love.” To his surprise, one year later The Vangurards recorded his song.
As payment for his songwriting, Miller offered Black the opportunity to release a single on LAMP. Watson was busy with Ebony Rhythm, so Black sought out Miles “Butch” Loyd, a funk wunderkind who at age sixteen had already written and played on a LAMP release, The Diplomatics’ “Hum Bug.” Loyd, familiar with Black’s Vanguards tune, agreed to back his vocal “Huh” in exchange for free reign over the single’s B-‘side. The resulting song, recorded over the next two months with Loyd’s high school buddies Revolution Compared To What, reflects both Loyd’s funk and jazz roots and Black’s songwriting ability. The groove sprung from Loyd, the vocals and soulful hook from Black.
Here, the two primary forces behind “Go To Work” tell the tale of one incredible piece of home-spun funk.
E: So how’d you get involved
in music?
A: I got involved in music in the military. Every so often, (my friends and
I would start) kind of crooning on the corner under the lamp post. Some of us
started to sound good. I can’t remember their names.
E: Where did all this
take place?
A: I was stationed in Springfield, Massachusetts on Sach Airforce Base. This
was in the mid 1960s. ‘64 or so. I got out, and returned to Indianapolis
where I got a job with Eli Lily.
E: What kind of a company was that?
A: We made pharmaceuticals. We made medicines. And I stayed in music. I’ve
never really formally written a song - I wrote something in the Airforce that
the guys kinda liked. We didn’t win a talent show we entered, but the
guys were walking around the halls singing the songs. I’m thinking, “Maybe
I should do this again!” And I wrote something else, to let the guys listen
to. They liked that too - but we didn’t do anything with that in particular.
E: So you were back in Indy after your military stint…
A: Actually, after the service I worked in several locations. We moved to Lafayette,
Indiana at one point. A couple guys there were interested in singing. This was
in early ‘67. Some of the guys in the hood that I frequented…. This
was a small town, everyone knew everyone. There were three fellas there that
wanted to sing. We got together, tried to kick around some ideas. Then there
a couple threats on my life….
E: What?!
A: It had nothing to do with music, it was over women. I was an outcast, I wasn’t
raised in that neighborhood. Then there were ladies and their boyfriends. I
needed to get out of town, so I asked my employer if there was anything back
in Indianapolis. I moved back. Still singing into my tape recorder….
E:
How did you end up with Herb Miller and his LAMP label?
A: I wanted to write songs, I had determined that much. I had the opportunity
to audition something with The Impressions. So I started putting something together
- professionally - for them. I didn’t know much about music; I was more
of a poetry and melody man. But one of my brother’s best friends was Matthew
Watson.
E: Drummer of Ebony Rhythm Band. They were doing all of LAMP’s
backing tracks back then.
A: Yes, I knew he had a band so I went to him. I said, “Can you can get
my songs together professionally, for The Impressions?” He said he couldn’t
do it, but there was someone locally I might want to check out first. Before
I went to Chicago. He said, “His name is Herb Miller.” By that time
they had probably already done the “Soul Heart Transplant” 45. So
I brought a tape to Herb. He said it was interesting, something he might be
interested in. But he made no real hard promise. There was no one definite he
wanted to use my songs for, so he said, “Why don’t you try to write
something for someone specifically?” The group he had that was popular
at the time was The Vanguards. So I went home and listened to The Vanguards’
record – “Somebody Please.” It was their hit. So I played
around with it, and got one - “It’s Too Late For Love.” I
took a tape to Herb. It was a little more promising in his opinion; something
he could use. Now, I didn’t sign any contract. This was the summer of
‘69. Nothing much came of it, but I got a call in the fall – November.
Herb said he might try to do the song from the tape. He wanted me to come and
perform it for him. He wanted me to come to a nightclub on Indiana Avenue -
The Blue Flame. The Vanguards were performing; Herb wanted me to perform during
the break. The people there weren’t even checking for The Vanguards!
E:
Harsh crowd.
A: I was very nervous. So I sat down at the organ during the break. Herb introduced
me to leader of the group. With the best effort I could put forth, I tried to
put the song together. A couple guys in the band were listening. James, the
friendliest one, said, “I think we could work with that.” One guy
said, “That sounds like shit!” That sure built my confidence! I
was somewhat dejected, but James said they could work with it.
E: What happened
next?
A: Then in April of ‘70 – or it may have been ’69 - I was
downtown making a payment on my Wurlitzer. I walked to the car, outside of the
bank. I got in car and turned on the radio - my song was playing on the radio!
I didn’t even know they had recorded it.
E: How did you feel?
A: I was somewhat elated and somewhat shocked. I hadn’t heard anything.
I had to find Herb. I got up with Herb - Matthew had played on that record.
He told me to become associated with a performance group - Herb suggested that
I get with BMI. I did, and as my record was being played, I received checks
in the mail. But I was more grateful to Herb for acknowledging that I had written
the song than for getting me any money.
E: What happened next?
A: A couple of years went by, but the group didn’t follow up on their
momentum. Some wanted to stay with Herb, some didn’t. In the interim,
I was submitting songs to The Vanguards. But they had a friend that wrote most
of their songs. I eventually approached Herb and asked him if I recorded a song,
would he put it on out on LAMP? This was a hobby thing - whatever happened,
it was real unprofessional.
E: And Herb agreed?
A: Yes, and I tried to find someone to polish my songs. I don’t remember
who told me about Butch. But I didn’t have much money to offer. Matthew
was off with his band and not available to record. Anyway, someone gave me Butch’s
address. He lived in the neighborhood, so I went to the house.
E: Break down
that fateful day.
A: Well, I could hear music. I went to the door and someone came out. I asked
about recording some songs. Butch overheard what was going on, and got me in.
I hung around ‘til the rehearsal was over. These were mostly high school
guys but their band was tight - I could tell that already. They were doing songs
that were popular on the radio. After rehearsal, we talked about the record
I had written for The Vanguards. Butch knew it - these were my credentials.
To my knowledge, they hadn’t recorded at that point. So I said, “If
you help me out, your band can put a song on the other side of my record. And
if it sells, everyone benefits.”
E: And Butch accepted for his band?
A: Yes, Butch was in favor. We made some jokes about how nothing would happen
anyway. So we set up rehearsals. I went to Butch’s house, and wound up
with the band leaving after they were done. Then I suggested rehearsing at my
own house. That was agreeable. I finally got Butch nailed down to get the song
I wanted to record. It was called “Huh.” Butch listened to the demo
I had made on the Wurltizer and he got some other of the young guys together.
We did all the music with two reel to reel tape recorders. The instrumentation
for “Huh” was done at the house. I think we tried to overdub vocals.
In the meantime, Butch worked out the flip at his own spot.
E: “Go To Work.”
A: There was dialogue on Butch’s side. The instrumental was already there.
I heard their demo dialogue, but I wanted to tighten it up. Some of it didn’t
quite fit - it was pretty haphazard. Butch was in agreement.
E: How’d you
title the song?
A: The name came from the dialogue. We did new vocals at my house - “Go
To Work” never saw the studio. We went with the feel they had already
worked out. After the phone call, Butch played the boss. The trumpet player
was the lazy employee. I felt the song needed a hook, so I created on
E: “Everybody’s got to go to work/ Rise and shine/ Getting up in the morning/ Is so hard..” So the beginning and the end was the extent of my contribution on that track.
E:
Did you ever hear it on the radio?
A: It got a little radio play but not much. Spider played most of it.
E: And
you’ve stayed involved with music over the years.
A: I’ve always stayed with music. I’ve written songs, but not too
many. I worked at Eli Lilly for 27 years.
MILES "BUTCH" LOYD
E: Now you were rocking some
serious funk when you were in high school, so you must have gotten an early
start in music!
B: I started at age 8, on the piano. I played that for several years, then got
side-tracked ‘cause I was listening to radio. I heard all the r&b
groups - rock groups. At that point I decided I wanted to learn guitar, so piano
went by the wayside. Eventually I left the guitar and picked up on bass. From
then on, my music developed with certain groups around town.
E: How about your
professional start?
B: The first band I made money in…. I was about 12 years old. This was
around 1968. I played a military ball at one of the high schools. I’d
rehearsed for a couple weeks. In high school I hooked up with some neighborhood
guys –a friend named Paul Hines. Then I got with Steve Mason, on organ
and keys. We started gigging together. More or less we played weekend or sock-hop
type deals. In summer, we played three nights a week at a summer fest for the
kids.
E: So how old were you when you recorded your two singles for LAMP –
The Diplomatics’ “Hum Bug” and “Huh”/”Go
To Work?”
B: Well, I graduated high school in 1973. I had recorded with The Diplomatics
and Tony while I was still in high school.
E: How were you introduced to LAMP?
B: Well, I had done the song with The Diplomatics. Before that, I had been playing
with a jazz trio – The Grooving Three. I was still in 8th grade then.
We did a number of concerts around town - mostly for free. Then the bass player
with The Diplomatics got an offer to go with The Spinners. I knew the group,
they were older, but we grew up together. The bass player asked me if I would
fill in. That meant leaving the Grooving Three. In 8th grade! But it looked
like I could make some money – The Diplomatics were a real popular group.
E: What kind of group were they? “Hum Bug” is one wicked funk tune!
B: They were a vocal and instrumental group. Around ages 18 to 20. Rodney Steppe
was the leader of band and keyboards, Bobby Gayheart was the drummer, Jerry
Miller played guitar, Maurice – uncle of Billy from Revolution Compared
To What – played trumpet, Richard Gamble was on sax and I played bass.
I was the youngest in the group.
E: A real professional outfit?
B: The Diplomatics were a show band, a dance band. We were doing covers.
E:
The “Hum Bug” was an original though – you co-wrote that one?
B: “Hum Bug?” I can barely remember that one! Someone got interested
enough and wanted to do a recording. Maybe it was Herb. So I wrote that song
with Steppe. I wrote most of the song - Steppe came up with the melody. They
recognized my ability as a songwriter.
E: That’s the only song you all
recorded?
B: The group disbanded after a while, people went their own directions. That
was the only record we did.
E: How did you meet up with Tony Black?
B: I met Tony while I was rehearsing with the Revolution Compared To What.
E:
And who was in that band?
B: Let’s see…. William Perry played trumpet, Les Pippens played
sax, Deon Lang was on trombone, Lee Martin played guitar, Tony Davis was on
bass, Clifford “Buzzy” Wilson played drums and I played keys.
E:
These were some of your high school buddies.
B: Well, none of them went to my high school, and most were older. Billy was
in military – I had known him for years, though. Deon was in high school,
he went to Crispus Attucks, I sent to Shortridge. Lee was the oldest, he was
in his 20s. The rest were around 15 to 16. The oldest was 17. Anyway, I hooked
up with Tony while rehearsing. He came by, somebody had schooled him on me.
E: How did the songs develop for Tony’s single?
B: Basically through a one on one with Tony. He came to me and played some demo
stuff of what he had done - I was already familiar with “It’s Too
Late For Love,” the song he’d written for The Vanguards. He did
all his demos on his organ, it had a basic rhythm track on it. He wanted me
to help him out, I said OK. I was about 16, and he was older, a grown man. He
was in his 20s. I think I was a junior in high school.
E: And you guys came to
a mutually beneficial agreement.
B: Basically the agreement was that Tony would finance the whole thing, and
we would do all the stuff at home, except the vocals or saxophone. Tony had
a reel to reel tape recorder. We did it all between our two houses. He said,
“I’ll give you the B side if you help me do the A side.”
E:
And you came up with “Go To Work”
B: “Go To Work” started off with one of my grooves. Then Tony Davis
and “Buzzy” chimed in and we had a good groove going! As far as
the idea, the title, Tony came up with that. The music was mine. He came up
with the idea of the boss and all that.
E: He did have a good bit to do with
the creation of that song!
B: He tried to sell himself short on that, he was an important part of that
song. (On the version released on LAMP single 89) I play the boss, Lang was
the other guy who was asleep and didn’t want to come to work.
E: Do you
remember the recording process?
B: Well, we overdubbed the vocals. We did the music first then we did that part
with the solo and all that. We did it all with Tony in a trailer park and back
at my parents’ house in the living room. Tony had some kind of mixing
board. We were ping ponging, bouncing (tracks) back and forth. We knew we’d
lose (quality) every time we did that, so there was only a certain amount of
times we could do it. We managed to keep the bounced tracks to a minimum so
we could come up with the final version. But I don’t remember the actual
production, Tony did most of that. He was doing a lot of this while I was probably
in school.
E: And you didn’t take “Go To Work” to the studio?
B: He may have gone to the studio and had some kind of enhancement done on it.
I wasn’t around for most of it, so I remember recording it and all the
bouncing that we had to do. We were only working with two track stereo. We had
to put all the mix on two tracks. It had to be right the first time.
E: How long
did the project take to assemble?
B: I want to say it took maybe a month or two to do. No longer than two months.
To get it pressed was another problem.
E: Have you recorded anything else besides
“Hum Bug” and Tony’s two tracks?
B: I did a record with my little jazz trio - a lot of remakes of older jazz
pieces. It was a result of a high school project that my drummer’s father
did. His father worked at a prepatory high school, a Jesuit school. He got wind
of kids whose project was to record a group and make an album and see where
it could go. So they heard of our group. They made some albums, financed the
whole thing. It was on their label – this was so long ago. I remember
it was recorded at Ohmit’s studio. This was around 1968. Then we started
doing a lot of gigs around town, especially at the Christian theological seminary.
Dave Baker came to hear us. We got a write up in the Indianapolis Star.
E: I
bet you were adding a bit of funk to those “older jazz pieces!”
B: Those were my roots more or less - funk and jazz. I’ve always had a
mixture of that - I grew up with those two (musics). Anything I do, even now,
any songs that I write are going to have a jazz element. I played with all jazz
musicians around here, that’s the flavor I’m going to put in any
song I write.
And the funk? I heard it. You hear it through James Brown, Earth, Wind and Fire,
The Barkays. I grabbed whatever I could when I was growing up.
E: What have you
done since your days with Revolution Compared To What?
B: After the Revolution, Icame into another group - Cosmic Jones. We never recorded
anything, we were just nightclub act. A bar band. Now I’m just writing.
If someone calls me for a job, I might do it if I’m free. I’m in
it for collaborating, writing music. I work as a corrections officer. I started
that back in 1985.